2025 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

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deadhead wrote:
07 Jun 2025, 16:05
Sevach wrote:
07 Jun 2025, 07:36
ScuderiaLeo wrote:
06 Jun 2025, 19:04
That seems way too good to be true. I'd be more worried than excited if that was the case LOL.
Suppousedly they've detected the suspension not doing what was expected in the pre-season.
And at most on China they decided to stop trying to work around the flaws, a redesign was needed.

It's gonna be almost 3 months work, maybe more, on the suspension.
If this is indeed the case one has to wonder why not communicate the issue to their fanbase instead of this silly PR dance for 9 races now which comes across as rather insulting..

"We have a major issue with the suspension and it will take 4 months to fix it."

Simple.
It would be very stupid to do it if they are not sure they are going to fix it.
For all we know, the car might have more flaws and the rear suspension can’t solve all of them.
I think they will be quick, but imagine Fred does what you say and then Mclaren still wins comfortably; he would look like a fool, would not he?
He is in a very delicate position, to not trash the team in public and at the same time to not raise too high expectations.

He knows better than any of us how it needs to be communicated and how to run a F1 team.

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deadhead
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https://f1-motorsports-gp.com/ferrari/sf-25-floor-ana/

"From around 2024, images of the floor bottom will not be available extremely.

In the first place, there are few crashes, and it seems that the introduction of a cover that hides the floor, which is an important secret, and the decrease in the number of photographers.

In the meantime, let's take a look at the floor of the Ferrari SF-25 that was hoisted by the Monaco crane.

A line is drawn in the part of the tunnel where the angle changes.

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(1) Kick point near the entrance
(2) Kick point immediately after the edge diffuser behind the fence
(3) Kick point where the rear diffuser begins in earnest
(2) and (3) seem to be at the same height, but I feel that (2) is closer to the road surface.



You can see that (2) has a complicated serving shape. It is probably being redesigned in an update.

Problems at the start of Ferrari's season

-High-speed bottoming

When driving at the expected vehicle height, the bottoming did not stop, and the vehicle height had to be raised. (Negative pressure increased too much)

The time slows down because the expected negative pressure is not obtained, and although it has been updated, it is far from a fundamental solution.


Floor of SF24

Image

Compared to the floor of the SF-24, you can see that the 25 is an updated version of this.

Ferrari's floor tunnel is based on the idea of making the maximum negative pressure generation point at the center of the car, which has not changed since 2022.


McLaren 2024 MCL38 floor
This is the floor of Miami when McLaren is faster in 2024.

This year, the basic concept should remain the same.

Image

While the Ferrari is positioned at the front of the floor and immediately approaches the road, the McLaren has a gentle slope towards the rear kick point.

The inside of the tunnel is an inner groove, which contrasts with the Ferrari with the outer groove.



This concept has been brushed up from the Red Bull RB18 and has now been updated to a design that surpasses the original and boasts unbeatable strength.

Summary

In the first place, why is it better to have a kick point (a place where the angle changes as it is closer to the road surface) at the back?

This is because it is easy to adjust the negative pressure of the kick point by adjusting the rear vehicle height.

It is easy to take into account the ride height that decreases due to the downforce of the rear wing, so there is an advantage in terms of settings.



In the case of Ferrari, there is a maximum negative pressure generation point in the center of the car, which must be adjusted according to the front and rear ride heights, which is very difficult to set up.

It can be assumed that the reason why Hamilton cannot run fast is because he is suffering from this downforce balance."


SOURCE: https://f1-motorsports-gp.com/ferrari/sf-25-floor-ana/

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deadhead wrote:
07 Jun 2025, 18:10
https://f1-motorsports-gp.com/ferrari/sf-25-floor-ana/

"From around 2024, images of the floor bottom will not be available extremely.

In the first place, there are few crashes, and it seems that the introduction of a cover that hides the floor, which is an important secret, and the decrease in the number of photographers.

In the meantime, let's take a look at the floor of the Ferrari SF-25 that was hoisted by the Monaco crane.

A line is drawn in the part of the tunnel where the angle changes.

https://postimages.org/

(1) Kick point near the entrance
(2) Kick point immediately after the edge diffuser behind the fence
(3) Kick point where the rear diffuser begins in earnest
(2) and (3) seem to be at the same height, but I feel that (2) is closer to the road surface.



You can see that (2) has a complicated serving shape. It is probably being redesigned in an update.

Problems at the start of Ferrari's season

-High-speed bottoming

When driving at the expected vehicle height, the bottoming did not stop, and the vehicle height had to be raised. (Negative pressure increased too much)

The time slows down because the expected negative pressure is not obtained, and although it has been updated, it is far from a fundamental solution.


Floor of SF24

https://postimages.org/

Compared to the floor of the SF-24, you can see that the 25 is an updated version of this.

Ferrari's floor tunnel is based on the idea of making the maximum negative pressure generation point at the center of the car, which has not changed since 2022.


McLaren 2024 MCL38 floor
This is the floor of Miami when McLaren is faster in 2024.

This year, the basic concept should remain the same.

https://postimg.cc/jD623qXp

While the Ferrari is positioned at the front of the floor and immediately approaches the road, the McLaren has a gentle slope towards the rear kick point.

The inside of the tunnel is an inner groove, which contrasts with the Ferrari with the outer groove.



This concept has been brushed up from the Red Bull RB18 and has now been updated to a design that surpasses the original and boasts unbeatable strength.

Summary

In the first place, why is it better to have a kick point (a place where the angle changes as it is closer to the road surface) at the back?

This is because it is easy to adjust the negative pressure of the kick point by adjusting the rear vehicle height.

It is easy to take into account the ride height that decreases due to the downforce of the rear wing, so there is an advantage in terms of settings.



In the case of Ferrari, there is a maximum negative pressure generation point in the center of the car, which must be adjusted according to the front and rear ride heights, which is very difficult to set up.

It can be assumed that the reason why Hamilton cannot run fast is because he is suffering from this downforce balance."


SOURCE: https://f1-motorsports-gp.com/ferrari/sf-25-floor-ana/
This is super interesting but should probably be in the car thread

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deadhead
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I thought that’s where I posted it sorry

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ringo
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I think at this stage of the regulation, all the front running cars have almost the same performance from the floor.
The suspension and how it works with the floor is the silver bullet.
The suspension upgrade sounds like it would probably bring more than half a second on most circuits.
For Sure!!

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deadhead wrote:
01 Jun 2025, 13:16
Henri wrote:
01 Jun 2025, 12:35
Hope the car has great racepace
Seemed to be around 2 tenths off the McLaren, likely better than the Mercedes and on par with the Red Bull
Nah redbull was way faster in the race McLaren is still 3 tenths faster on average in racepace.. the suspension upgrade is the only hope

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Henri wrote:
08 Jun 2025, 09:29
deadhead wrote:
01 Jun 2025, 13:16
Henri wrote:
01 Jun 2025, 12:35
Hope the car has great racepace
Seemed to be around 2 tenths off the McLaren, likely better than the Mercedes and on par with the Red Bull
Nah redbull was way faster in the race McLaren is still 3 tenths faster on average in racepace.. the suspension upgrade is the only hope
I don't think you should equate Verstappen with the performance of Red Bull...

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Andi76 wrote:
08 Jun 2025, 22:57
Henri wrote:
08 Jun 2025, 09:29
deadhead wrote:
01 Jun 2025, 13:16


Seemed to be around 2 tenths off the McLaren, likely better than the Mercedes and on par with the Red Bull
Nah redbull was way faster in the race McLaren is still 3 tenths faster on average in racepace.. the suspension upgrade is the only hope
I don't think you should equate Verstappen with the performance of Red Bull...
Please save this stuff for the red bull thread :roll:

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It's a very interesting phenomena for a technical website. Some very unscientific, and dogmatic statements made without any qualms.
I do not know myself how to separate driver from car. There's just no real basis to do it. So it's best not to bother trying to do it. The best performance of the car is the best performance, until someone else does it better. We can never know how much faster a car can go. By the same token, we cannot know how much slower it should have been either.

There are forum members who can tell you how much slower a car should have been!
For Sure!!

venkyhere
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ringo wrote:
05 Jun 2025, 18:18
The problem is when the rear is not planted. The younger drivers do not need to drive as much on feeling or feedback. They can push and throw the car more with less hesitation because theyre likely not waiting for a feedback.
Sorry to say, I haven't read anything crappier than this about 'driving' rwd cars with no tc/abs ; in my entire life.

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Ferrari still running the gradually curved flow conditioners vs Red Bull and Mclaren that have them a lot straighter, with a more aggressive kick at the end.
Felipe Baby!

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DJ Downforce
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I hope Autoracer releases an article soon on if we're getting new parts (floor or suspension) at Canada. I trust them to know more than Nugnes :wink:

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venkyhere wrote:
09 Jun 2025, 11:47
ringo wrote:
05 Jun 2025, 18:18
.... The younger drivers do not need to drive as much on feeling or feedback. They can push and throw the car more with less hesitation ......
Sorry to say, I haven't read anything crappier than this about 'driving' rwd cars with no tc/abs ; in my entire life.
IMO
the cars now have what amounts to some legal tc and abs effect
due to MGU-K torque collapse as synchronicity can be occasionally lost ('pole slipping' & 'pole skipping')
this is internal (to the MGU-K & CE) and so independent of the mandatory & ECU-mapped PU behaviours
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No updates, but that was expected.

https://autoracer.it/it/ferrari-canada- ... -direttiva

"In this regard, no significant updates are planned for the SF-25 which does not reserve new components for the overseas stage as predicted. Serra followed the operations throughout the European triple, and the work in Maranello for Canada was aimed at the correct set-up of the current package"

Can we ban Nugnes and Mortorsport, clear they don't have a clue what the team are doing.

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DJ Downforce
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So Nugnes was wrong about Imola updates and now wrong about Canada updates. His pathetic articles should be boycotted.

Well strap in for a weekend of pain then