Flexiwings 2025

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Henk_v
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What stull doesn't add up for me that the TD is schrugged off as inconsequential. That would be the same as saying the development of these wings were a waste of resources. I just don't buy it as inconsequesntial.

The TD "just" reduce the measure by 33%. They should have added a measure of torsional stifness too.

Farnborough
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I agree with you, and feel there's more to come in "outflow" of consequences to be seen over coming races.

We didn't of course get a straight and clear comparison in Barcelona as they all conformed and so no real world cutting edge pace under Q optic to let us see. Many of the changes effectively invisible essentially.

Williams I felt was going to be one with difficultly, based purely on the dramatic status exhibited prior in slo-mo of substantial flexing in multiple direction, particularly at Imola. Relatively, they went backwards here.

The rest, more to play out with differential circuit nuance I feel.

Many predicted (often based on team comments) by allegiance to "their" team a nothing change here result :D along with face saving issuance across the paddock generally. There's no technical gravity in that, really.

The choices of setup we are going to see played out more over next six months. Whether it'll change the championship fundamentally I doubt.

The biggest advance just at that one race, and you need to carefully consider very subtle shift, was Ferrari I believe. That in ultimate race pace at a circuit which doesn't "come" towards their current mechanical limitation. No it didn't make them a candidate for winning there, but definitely squeezed the car a little forward against the field than existed before.

fourmula1
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I still think people are not appreciating how close the margins are. This is not a prime Merc/RB type gap to the next best car. The second fastest car is not far off. This could be the opposite of last year where come summer break the RB steps ahead of Mcl. Not to mention the entire field is quite close in timing gaps and teams are operating very well with few mistakes.

Point being, while there was no shakeup and this wing thing might have been a waste, I agree with the comments above that there could be some further implications as the season plays out.

Henk_v
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Margins really are slim, but unfortunately this is also agains a backdrop of (again) folowing issues, making F1 more and more qualifying oriented.
Also one of the largest gaps in the field is between Mcl and the rest. Racing bulls is consistently beating the Red Bull. Hadjar challenging Max is about as likely as Max challenging Piastri.

FittingMechanics
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FNTC wrote:
06 Jun 2025, 23:20
When does the focus shift to the rear wings? Some of them flex alot too.
Rear wing rules were already made tighter, this year.

Farnborough
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Overview opinion from Peter Wright after technical change at Barcelona.



Reasonable non partisan discussion.

CjC
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The race think we haven’t seen the true effect of the new TD, which I don’t particularly agree with

https://www.the-race.com/formula-1/the- ... l-to-come/
Just a fan's point of view

the EDGE
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CjC wrote:
11 Jun 2025, 14:05
The race think we haven’t seen the true effect of the new TD, which I don’t particularly agree with

https://www.the-race.com/formula-1/the- ... l-to-come/
I reckon there will be tracks that are more affected by this than others, but what we saw last weekend was that most teams had to amend the front wings, so I assume there will be little change to the pecking order because of this

CjC
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the EDGE wrote:
11 Jun 2025, 14:09
CjC wrote:
11 Jun 2025, 14:05
The race think we haven’t seen the true effect of the new TD, which I don’t particularly agree with

https://www.the-race.com/formula-1/the- ... l-to-come/
I reckon there will be tracks that are more affected by this than others, but what we saw last weekend was that most teams had to amend the front wings, so I assume there will be little change to the pecking order because of this
On absolute laptime yes but like the race said, they are all having to mitigate the effect.
I’m not expecting a 1-2 in quali for McLaren in Canada but I wouldn’t one regardless of a TD or not
Just a fan's point of view

Sevach
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https://danfallows.substack.com/p/your- ... irect=true

Dan Fallows, formerly from Red Bull and AMR, on flex wings.
And other things like suspension.

FNTC
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Mid way in FP2 and MCL are way off the pace so far. Turned down engine modes, etc, or are they struggling with the less flexible front wing this time?

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Yeah the domination of Mclaren is over, Red Bull and Max will dominate in the next 14-15 races.....

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So are we still 100% sure that McLaren was unaffected? And Williams seems like they got hit too.

CjC
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FNTC wrote:
14 Jun 2025, 23:11
So are we still 100% sure that McLaren was unaffected? And Williams seems like they got hit too.
I still am.
After of reading and listening to the comments from McLaren Canada isn’t the track for them, yet Piastri is still third and Lando should be somewhere in the top 4 too.
It’s been close in quali all season, Red Bull and Mercedes have heavily upgraded recently (another floor update in Canada) so it’s no surprise Max and George qualified ahead on a tyre that was easier to keep in its peak window compared to the C6 which McLaren opted to use.

McLaren aren’t expected to excel in the race either:
https://www.the-race.com/formula-1/why- ... r-mclaren/
Just a fan's point of view