2025 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

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K1Plus wrote:
15 Jun 2025, 23:27
ScuderiaLeo wrote:
15 Jun 2025, 23:26
Luscion wrote:
15 Jun 2025, 23:20
Hamilton

“Of course I’m asking for these things [upgrades]. I don’t know why we haven’t been bringing upgrades, I think we have one hopefully coming soon.”

“The mindset for me, I’m like ‘there’s a lot of changes that need to be made in the system.’ I wish I could tell you what's happening. There's a lot going on in the background.”

“Yeah, I can't say too much about it. There’s so many things I wish I could tell you that could explain the things that have happened this year, the problems we had and what’s going on within the organisation. But my goal is to try and positively influence, try and get change so we can have long term success.”

“There’s a lot of changes that we need. For me it’s that foundation building. We’re not fighting for a championship.”

He says they need upgrades and I think Leclerc would agree, Vasseur says they don't, more miscommunication going on...

Is Fred okay?
Hard to say at this point.

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Nani_s23 wrote:
15 Jun 2025, 23:52
Sergej wrote:
15 Jun 2025, 23:47
This suspension update should really be a make or break update.
I don’t buy it. If they feel suspension upgrade bring them the performance, they could have done it in the last race where the track is more a technical & mechanical.
It would give more feedback on the track than in Sim or factory.

This slow approach is causing panic in the team & drivers too agree they need upgrades. But TP says it other way.

First important step for Ferrari is to improve the communication with the team & PR.
The only thing that improves PR, is winning.

The slow approach is hopefully to not screw things up, again. It’s the last roll of the dice.

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deadhead wrote:
15 Jun 2025, 23:57

Hard to say at this point.
Think it's safe to say he's in hot water internally.

He didn't even deny today that there was tension in the team right now, he just said they need to focus on the work ahead... combined with Hamilton's comments...

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ScuderiaLeo wrote:
16 Jun 2025, 00:39
deadhead wrote:
15 Jun 2025, 23:57

Hard to say at this point.
Think it's safe to say he's in hot water internally.

He didn't even deny today that there was tension in the team right now, he just said they need to focus on the work ahead... combined with Hamilton's comments...
I think Hamilton’s comments are very telling.

Fred must be under massive pressure.

To say the car doesn’t need upgrades when it’s 23+ seconds off the lead is mind boggling
Just a fan's point of view

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CjC wrote:
16 Jun 2025, 00:47
ScuderiaLeo wrote:
16 Jun 2025, 00:39
deadhead wrote:
15 Jun 2025, 23:57

Hard to say at this point.
Think it's safe to say he's in hot water internally.

He didn't even deny today that there was tension in the team right now, he just said they need to focus on the work ahead... combined with Hamilton's comments...
I think Hamilton’s comments are very telling.

Fred must be under massive pressure.

To say the car doesn’t need upgrades when it’s 23+ seconds off the lead is mind boggling
Are you stupid? The car did a purple sector in the beginning of FP3. Clearly that means it's capable of winning the championship.

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I wonder to what extent Elkann and Vigna are receiving feedback via Hamilton, which may be playing a role in their decision to potentially not extend Vasseur.

That'd be quite the story, if Hamilton is playing a role in the departure of the man who brought him in.

Purely wondering aloud, here ... not based on any reporting.

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catent wrote:
16 Jun 2025, 02:27
I wonder to what extent Elkann and Vigna are receiving feedback via Hamilton, which may be playing a role in their decision to potentially not extend Vasseur.

That'd be quite the story, if Hamilton is playing a role in the departure of the man who brought him in.

Purely wondering aloud, here ... not based on any reporting.
this is an insane take, why in the world would Lewis want Fred gone? they have a past with Lewis racing under him in his early career, he's said Fred is a big reason he's at Ferrari and came out this weekend very clearly defending Fred and saying he wants him at Ferrari. If anything it feels like Ham is pushing for an culture shift for Ferrari so Fred can just do his job instead of being bothered by the top brass

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Luscion wrote:
16 Jun 2025, 03:09
catent wrote:
16 Jun 2025, 02:27
I wonder to what extent Elkann and Vigna are receiving feedback via Hamilton, which may be playing a role in their decision to potentially not extend Vasseur.

That'd be quite the story, if Hamilton is playing a role in the departure of the man who brought him in.

Purely wondering aloud, here ... not based on any reporting.
this is an insane take, why in the world would Lewis want Fred gone? they have a past with Lewis racing under him in his early career, he's said Fred is a big reason he's at Ferrari and came out this weekend very clearly defending Fred and saying he wants him at Ferrari. If anything it feels like Ham is pushing for an culture shift for Ferrari so Fred can just do his job instead of being bothered by the top brass


The worst case will be Ferrari getting rid of Fred and then Lewis announced his retirement shortly.
A Mike Elliott saga all over again?

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DJ Downforce wrote:
08 Jun 2025, 23:19
Andi76 wrote:
08 Jun 2025, 22:57
Henri wrote:
08 Jun 2025, 09:29


Nah redbull was way faster in the race McLaren is still 3 tenths faster on average in racepace.. the suspension upgrade is the only hope
I don't think you should equate Verstappen with the performance of Red Bull...
Please save this stuff for the red bull thread :roll:
If you say so... just as an aside, I'm neither a Red Bull nor a Verstappen fan...

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Was there any chance of better result had Charles delayed his 2nd pitstop till the pia-lando incident? He had good pace at the front before pitting.

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CHT wrote:
16 Jun 2025, 03:57
The worst case will be Ferrari getting rid of Fred and then Lewis announced his retirement shortly.
A Mike Elliott saga all over again?
I wouldn't be surprised if this happens because I doubt the person they bring in in place of Vasseur will magically fix the team...

I don't see a world where Vasseur leaves and the drivers stay long term.

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Ham's damage, a floor fence gone

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ScuderiaLeo wrote:
16 Jun 2025, 05:49
CHT wrote:
16 Jun 2025, 03:57
The worst case will be Ferrari getting rid of Fred and then Lewis announced his retirement shortly.
A Mike Elliott saga all over again?
I wouldn't be surprised if this happens because I doubt the person they bring in in place of Vasseur will magically fix the team...

I don't see a world where Vasseur leaves and the drivers stay long term.
Ferrari cannot afford to have a disgruntled Lewis because that will be bad for Ferrari brand and morale within the team. Firing Fred at this stage may not be wise either due to major technical regulation change in 2026. Saving grace is that Ferrari is doing very well at Le Mans.

For these reasons I believe the LH and Ferrari/Tefosi may just agree to part ways before the end of season and we may see Charles with a new teammate in 2026.

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ScuderiaLeo wrote:
15 Jun 2025, 22:20
Sevach wrote:
15 Jun 2025, 22:15
So... at which point wind tunnel time is set for the rest of the year?
At the end of the third ATP which is I believe is the end of this month but someone can correct me if I'm wrong
Exactly. Based on WCC standings after Austria's GP the ATR allocation is set until end of December 2025 starting from 1st of July.

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CHT wrote:
16 Jun 2025, 03:57
Luscion wrote:
16 Jun 2025, 03:09
catent wrote:
16 Jun 2025, 02:27
I wonder to what extent Elkann and Vigna are receiving feedback via Hamilton, which may be playing a role in their decision to potentially not extend Vasseur.

That'd be quite the story, if Hamilton is playing a role in the departure of the man who brought him in.

Purely wondering aloud, here ... not based on any reporting.
this is an insane take, why in the world would Lewis want Fred gone? they have a past with Lewis racing under him in his early career, he's said Fred is a big reason he's at Ferrari and came out this weekend very clearly defending Fred and saying he wants him at Ferrari. If anything it feels like Ham is pushing for an culture shift for Ferrari so Fred can just do his job instead of being bothered by the top brass


The worst case will be Ferrari getting rid of Fred and then Lewis announced his retirement shortly.
A Mike Elliott saga all over again?
Hamilton would not be a loss, to be honest. His behavior to date and public criticism are rather destructive for the team, and he is simply too slow. As for Fred, unfortunately he is failing in his most important task, which is to put together a great team of engineers and improve their efficiency.

Success in F1 depends on creating a team that is developing the best technologies and
methodologies to design a F1 car. To
make a championship winning car, innovation is key not only on
the car features but even more on technique
to develop at a faster rate and
even more important in pursuing the best
values and the best organization which
bring all the people to contribute on the
project as a collective effort.

In this respect, Ferrari has become worse rather than better. I am absolutely not in favor of constantly changing team bosses, because continuity and stability are important factors in a F1 team without which success is not possible, and it is a huge mistake on Ferrari's part since more than a decade to think that an F1 team works like a soccer team, but unfortunately Fred does not seem to be improving the team in any way in these important areas.

His plan was probably to attract people to Ferrari with a driver like Hamilton, as was the case with Schumacher back then. What he overlooked here is the fact that there was a huge difference between the Hamilton of 2025 and the Schumacher of 1996. While Schumacher was young in 1996, at the peak of his abilities and by far the best driver with a long and bright future ahead of him, as well as being known for his ability to develop the car and the team and someone every engineer wanted to work with, Hamilton was long past his prime, old, with no significant future and never known for his ability to develop cars and teams, which does not make him attract engineers. Ten years ago, at the age of 30, this would have been different due to his success and future prospects, but not in 2025.

But Vasseur is not bringing any improvements to the organizational structure itself either. On the contrary. As an engineer who has never worked on racing cars, he speaks with authority on technical development. Serra is the technical director of CHASSIS and therefore not the technical director per se, which means that there are essentially several technical department heads and no one at the top to set the direction and ensure that everyone is working toward that goal. Only Vasseur is above these "division managers," but he lacks the technical knowledge about race cars, which he has never worked on as an engineer and has not learned. This makes Ferrari's entire technical organization inefficient and slow because it lacks a competent "supreme leader" like Ross Brawn used to be.

The fact that people like Elkann and Vigna are putting pressure on the middle management level of engineers and demanding developments means that Ferrari is repeating the very mistakes it made before 1996 and has been repeating constantly since 2007. Here, too, it would be up to Vasseur to bring about improvement, but he lacks the power and authority that people like Todt, Brawn, and Byrne had in collaboration with Schumacher.

Perhaps Vasseur also needs a little more time to create such structures and organization. Unfortunately, however, it must be said that he has achieved very little in this regard so far, and my optimism that he ever will is limited, because, on the one hand, he lacks the power and, on the other hand, he is unable to break down the old and flawed organizational structures. Maybe because of his lack of Power.