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Arvid Lindblad will become the reserve driver for RBR and Racing Bulls.



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Wouter wrote:
23 Jun 2025, 12:19
All the theatrics from 2024, made me forget how good VER and NOR were in the sprint/quali/race (~15s or so ahead of the pack), until their dogfight with some 8-10 or so laps to the finish. Both MCL39 and RB21 are better than their predecessors, the former being vastly superior. Need to see whether a 3rd party like PIA/RUS/LEC will get involved for the lead this weekend.

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Red Bull reportedly bringing upgrades to Austria
As for Red Bull, its planning upgrades of its own for the team's home race, including modifications to the floor, wings, and internal elements of the front suspension. Sources from Milton Keynes indicate these changes are actually optimised for Silverstone rather than the Austrian circuit.
https://racingnews365.com/major-ferrari ... laren-hunt

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Marko to "Kleine Zeitung"
[...]Why is it (that F1 is currently pretty tough for Red Bull)?

Because we have been seeing the same tendencies in the car for two years. It jumps over curbs, has a tendency to understeer at turn in, which then goes into oversteer. The balance on the rear axle is not right. But if we are in the very small working window and when the circuit suits us, as in Jeddah or Suzuka - Imola and Montreal were not that bad either - then it fits. But the working window is extremely small.

And there is still no indication of how to change that?

We are now getting an update for Austria, which will be refined again for Silverstone. But if that doesn't pull, it will be difficult in the championship. And it's not that it is not already difficult enough.

How do you currently divide the work between the development of the current car and the development of completely new cars for 2026?

There is an exact division of how the wind tunnel and all tools are used. But at some point we will say: that's it with the further development. For two reasons: time - and the production of new parts takes time - and the "cost cap". So the question is: where do you give your resources? I assume that according to Silverstone or Spa at the latest, there will be a decision that you concentrate entirely on the new car.

What about your own engine project?

Mercedes has appointed itself as the favorite, but that has not been proven by anything. The development is incredible with the combustion engine alone. The engine is smaller than that in my lawnmower! You have three or four things that are important in the new car: the combustion engine, we are there and if there are no durability problems, this will not be a gamuchanger. The battery is crucial, where we start with a conventional solution and fuel, a very important factor. The development with our partner Exxon is going very well.

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ispano6 wrote:
25 Jun 2025, 07:30
Red Bull reportedly bringing upgrades to Austria
As for Red Bull, its planning upgrades of its own for the team's home race, including modifications to the floor, wings, and internal elements of the front suspension. Sources from Milton Keynes indicate these changes are actually optimised for Silverstone rather than the Austrian circuit.
https://racingnews365.com/major-ferrari ... laren-hunt
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Lets hope they will work.

It is in Knittelfeld today and tomorrow 34 degrees with thunderstorms and Friday - Sunday 29 - 31 degrees and sun.


Helmut Marko in Der Kleine Zeitung yesterday, translated from German:

"We're getting an update for Austria now, which will then be refined further for Silverstone.
But if that doesn't work, things will get difficult in the World Championship.
And it's not as if it isn't difficult enough already."


How is the work currently being divided between developing the current car and developing completely new cars for 2026?

"There's a precise breakdown of how the wind tunnel and all the tools are being used. But at some point, they'll say: Okay, that's it for further development. For two reasons: time – and the production of new parts takes time – and the "cost cap." So the question is: Where do you allocate your resources? I assume after Silverstone or Spa at the latest, there will be a decision to focus entirely on the new car."

Formula 1 is currently talking about Arvid Lindblad, who received an exemption and a Formula 1 super license at 17. Is the young man really ready for Formula 1?

"We're preparing in case something really happens to Max Verstappen regarding his penalty points.
We currently have two reserve drivers: Lindblad and Ayumu Iwasa, but Iwasa's Formula 1 schedules clash with his appearances in Japan. We even had a deal with another team for some races, and once a reserve driver was even scheduled for three teams. It's not that easy to find someone who's in good shape. And that's why Lindblad is in the car now.

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ispano6 wrote:
25 Jun 2025, 07:30
Red Bull reportedly bringing upgrades to Austria
As for Red Bull, its planning upgrades of its own for the team's home race, including modifications to the floor, wings, and internal elements of the front suspension. Sources from Milton Keynes indicate these changes are actually optimised for Silverstone rather than the Austrian circuit.
https://racingnews365.com/major-ferrari ... laren-hunt
curiously there's no mention about the upgrades around the rear corner which should help tyre management

hot temperatures are forecasted for this weekend in Austria, it won't be easy with current deg problem.

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25 Jun 2025, 07:30
Red Bull reportedly bringing upgrades to Austria
As for Red Bull, its planning upgrades of its own for the team's home race, including modifications to the floor, wings, and internal elements of the front suspension. Sources from Milton Keynes indicate these changes are actually optimised for Silverstone rather than the Austrian circuit.
https://racingnews365.com/major-ferrari ... laren-hunt
A new floor, wings and suspension have to bring improvements to all circuits, so I don't really understand the optimised for Silverstone comment, feels like they are downplaying the updates, unless they are going all in on high corner speed performance.

Major updates this season have not really changed things massively, perhaps this was expected going into the last season. The MCL gap looks to be lower than before despite them bringing some updates (lots of experimentation). Red bull is slightly improved, Merc might have improved since the last update, Ferrari still the same (big corrective updates coming) but no huge improvements from anyone, so I wonder if there is even going to be a jump big enough from the rest to topple MCL, rear brake/tire cooling might be the last hope.

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McLaren has yet to bring a big update so whatever redbull bring will be offset by what McLaren brings. McLaren has proven that their update always work, that cant be said about redbull.

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Austria :
Last year, the RB20 (despite all it's shortcomings) was the fastest car on single lap pace, and probably the fastest in race pace as well, until the delayed pitstop that forced max to eat his tyres on the outlap, 'bringing the Mclaren into the game'.
This time, though the RB21 is definitely an improvement on the RB20, it isn't by much. Slow speed traction is still an issue. However, the MCL39 is a vast improvement over last year's McLaren, adding strengths like traction, high speed cornering, tyre life, straight line speed, all without compromising their 'base advantage' of slow-medium corners. PLus the Mercedes is no slouch after the latest updates. So, it wouldn't surprise me if Redbull don't win this race, a podium will be good result, considering the circumstances the RB21 finds itself in, vis-a-vis the MCL39, W16 and even possibly the SF25 (if Ferrari 'happen to setup within the correct window')

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euv2 wrote:
25 Jun 2025, 12:58
ispano6 wrote:
25 Jun 2025, 07:30
Red Bull reportedly bringing upgrades to Austria
As for Red Bull, its planning upgrades of its own for the team's home race, including modifications to the floor, wings, and internal elements of the front suspension. Sources from Milton Keynes indicate these changes are actually optimised for Silverstone rather than the Austrian circuit.
https://racingnews365.com/major-ferrari ... laren-hunt
A new floor, wings and suspension have to bring improvements to all circuits, so I don't really understand the optimised for Silverstone comment, feels like they are downplaying the updates, unless they are going all in on high corner speed performance.

Major updates this season have not really changed things massively, perhaps this was expected going into the last season. The MCL gap looks to be lower than before despite them bringing some updates (lots of experimentation). Red bull is slightly improved, Merc might have improved since the last update, Ferrari still the same (big corrective updates coming) but no huge improvements from anyone, so I wonder if there is even going to be a jump big enough from the rest to topple MCL, rear brake/tire cooling might be the last hope.
I think this is just bad translation thing. As I understand there will be upgrades for Austria, then some more in Silverstone. Not like the upgrades in Austria are Silverstone specific, which would make little sense.

This is from the longer text: "We are now getting an update for Austria, which will be refined again for Silverstone. "

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venkyhere wrote:
25 Jun 2025, 14:05
Austria :
Last year, the RB20 (despite all it's shortcomings) was the fastest car on single lap pace, and probably the fastest in race pace as well, until the delayed pitstop that forced max to eat his tyres on the outlap, 'bringing the Mclaren into the game'.
This time, though the RB21 is definitely an improvement on the RB20, it isn't by much. Slow speed traction is still an issue. However, the MCL39 is a vast improvement over last year's McLaren, adding strengths like traction, high speed cornering, tyre life, straight line speed, all without compromising their 'base advantage' of slow-medium corners. PLus the Mercedes is no slouch after the latest updates. So, it wouldn't surprise me if Redbull don't win this race, a podium will be good result, considering the circumstances the RB21 finds itself in, vis-a-vis the MCL39, W16 and even possibly the SF25 (if Ferrari 'happen to setup within the correct window')
Personally, I could expect a pole due to the Max factor here, then in race it'll be difficult for track temps, tyre wear, etc. Podium would be a good result.

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Paa wrote:
25 Jun 2025, 14:08

I think this is just bad translation thing. As I understand there will be upgrades for Austria, then some more in Silverstone. Not like the upgrades in Austria are Silverstone specific, which would make little sense.

This is from the longer text: "We are now getting an update for Austria, which will be refined again for Silverstone. "
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Refined means: to improve with certain additives or similar,
"to refine the sauce with cream".

So, NO updates in Silverstone. The same updates BUT refined.
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Paa wrote:
25 Jun 2025, 14:08
euv2 wrote:
25 Jun 2025, 12:58
ispano6 wrote:
25 Jun 2025, 07:30
Red Bull reportedly bringing upgrades to Austria



https://racingnews365.com/major-ferrari ... laren-hunt
A new floor, wings and suspension have to bring improvements to all circuits, so I don't really understand the optimised for Silverstone comment, feels like they are downplaying the updates, unless they are going all in on high corner speed performance.

Major updates this season have not really changed things massively, perhaps this was expected going into the last season. The MCL gap looks to be lower than before despite them bringing some updates (lots of experimentation). Red bull is slightly improved, Merc might have improved since the last update, Ferrari still the same (big corrective updates coming) but no huge improvements from anyone, so I wonder if there is even going to be a jump big enough from the rest to topple MCL, rear brake/tire cooling might be the last hope.
I think this is just bad translation thing. As I understand there will be upgrades for Austria, then some more in Silverstone. Not like the upgrades in Austria are Silverstone specific, which would make little sense.

This is from the longer text: "We are now getting an update for Austria, which will be refined again for Silverstone. "
Thanks, that makes much more sense.



I hope the updates do a lot more than just improving this mythical balance, it's time for some performance. If the brake cooling is improved, the race pace should be noticeably better.