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Seems as good a place to pose this question as any....

Where will Horner go next, or will he walk away from F1?

I was thinking alpine or Cadillac

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Seems as good a place to pose this question as any....

Where will Horner go next, or will he walk away from F1?

Ferarri? There was recent news he went there for a visit.

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Seems as good a place to pose this question as any....

Where will Horner go next, or will he walk away from F1?

I was thinking alpine or Cadillac

After kicking Renault for 10 years? Reckon Flavio would need to be full flava flav to sell that to Alpine shareholders.

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Seems as good a place to pose this question as any....

Where will Horner go next, or will he walk away from F1?

I was thinking alpine or Cadillac

After kicking Renault for 10 years? Reckon Flavio would need to be full flava flav to sell that to Alpine shareholders.

What shareholders? Those who supported shutting Viry base off? It seems like they've agreed with Horner....

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What shareholders? Those who supported shutting Viry base off? It seems like they've agreed with Horner....

Renault own 76% of the team. Otro capital the other 24%. So these shareholders?
https://www.planetf1.com/features/expla ... -purchase

Viry was closed due to financial burdens placed on Renault which De Meo stated was a fiscally led decision.

" We have been on a downward slope for three seasons. We had to shake all that up. With a financial logic in mind. Real enthusiasts are not concerned by this calculation. I am,"

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What shareholders? Those who supported shutting Viry base off? It seems like they've agreed with Horner....

Renault own 76% of the team. Otro capital the other 24%. So these shareholders?
https://www.planetf1.com/features/expla ... -purchase

Viry was closed due to financial burdens placed on Renault which De Meo stated was a fiscally led decision.

" We have been on a downward slope for three seasons. We had to shake all that up. With a financial logic in mind. Real enthusiasts are not concerned by this calculation. I am,"

Again, I'm not one defending Horner, but producing shyte engine for 10 years.... If they really wanted to go upwards, Horner would definitely be a good asset.

Hell, Alonso came back to Dennis and Mclaren after spy gate..

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Again, I'm not one defending Horner, but producing shyte engine for 10 years.... If they really wanted to go upwards, Horner would definitely be a good asset.

Hell, Alonso came back to Dennis and Mclaren after spy gate..

Horner would know absolutley zero about building engines.


Horner is let's face it, someone that benefited from the genius of Newey.
Alpine don't have that.

What is clear is that Alpine need a TP that can get their head down and utilise a budget and not create unnecessary attention with results that are progressive.
Horner is definitely not that guy

Red Bull are literally imploding because of Horner and his toxic traits. Anyone considering employing Horner would also need to consider that would rule out a large portion of talented staff that would not work under him on principle.

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Rumours growing amongst staff here at Silverstone that Max to Mercedes to replace Russell will be announced imminently.

No idea whether any weight to the rumour.

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Again, I'm not one defending Horner, but producing shyte engine for 10 years.... If they really wanted to go upwards, Horner would definitely be a good asset.

Hell, Alonso came back to Dennis and Mclaren after spy gate..

Horner would know absolutley zero about building engines.


Horner is let's face it, someone that benefited from the genius of Newey.
Alpine don't have that.

What is clear is that Alpine need a TP that can get their head down and utilise a budget and not create unnecessary attention with results that are progressive.
Horner is definitely not that guy

Red Bull are literally imploding because of Horner and his toxic traits. Anyone considering employing Horner would also need to consider that would rule out a large portion of talented staff that would not work under him on principle.

I think we should not discredit Christian like that. Remember, what he was given on the beginning.. Forming a team, and it is not fair to credit only Newey for the championships... There were others too. And they were all under hands of Christian. He built a great team that became an immense force in the paddock. For sure without him I doubt RB would be where it is today.

On a side note, who was the mastermind behind the idea of building it's own engines? How it will be affected after his departure and, if the rumours are true, Max is leaving... The team will drop like a stone into midfield.

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I think we should not discredit Christian like that. Remember, what he was given on the beginning.. Forming a team, and it is not fair to credit only Newey for the championships... There were others too. And they were all under hands of Christian. He built a great team that became an immense force in the paddock. For sure without him I doubt RB would be where it is today.

On a side note, who was the mastermind behind the idea of building it's own engines? How it will be affected after his departure and, if the rumours are true, Max is leaving... The team will drop like a stone into midfield.

Ohh I don't think it's discrediting. Just that the TP role is nowhere near as valuable as having the best designer in F1.
Crediting Horner with acquiring Newey is a view I guess. But I'm of the opinion that Red Bull succeeded in spite of Horner, not because of him. I'm of the same opinion about Ron Dennis. To an extent, Toto too.
It cannot be overlooked that everyone and their dog was after Newey when he left McLaren.
For good reason. He's the best there is, nobody needed to be a genius to work that one out.
And Horner might have wanted him, but it was Coulthard and the famous dinner with Mateshitz that convinced Newey from all accounts I've read. And the rumoured 5 million a year.

No idea who was the mastermind behind the RBPT idea. But here's Horners reply to the question.

“We've had an incredible partnership with Honda and when they initially announced their withdrawal from Formula 1 in 2020, it was with great sadness and that's what prompted the creation of Red Bull Powertrains, to take control for our own future,” he said.

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Rumours growing amongst staff here at Silverstone that Max to Mercedes to replace Russell will be announced imminently.

No idea whether any weight to the rumour.

Interesting where are you hearing these rumours? (Yes Silverstone obviously lol....but...)

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I think we should not discredit Christian like that. Remember, what he was given on the beginning.. Forming a team, and it is not fair to credit only Newey for the championships... There were others too. And they were all under hands of Christian. He built a great team that became an immense force in the paddock. For sure without him I doubt RB would be where it is today.

On a side note, who was the mastermind behind the idea of building it's own engines? How it will be affected after his departure and, if the rumours are true, Max is leaving... The team will drop like a stone into midfield.

Ohh I don't think it's discrediting. Just that the TP role is nowhere near as valuable as having the best designer in F1.
Crediting Horner with acquiring Newey is a view I guess. But I'm of the opinion that Red Bull succeeded in spite of Horner, not because of him. I'm of the same opinion about Ron Dennis. To an extent, Toto too.
It cannot be overlooked that everyone and their dog was after Newey when he left McLaren.
For good reason. He's the best there is, nobody needed to be a genius to work that one out.
And Horner might have wanted him, but it was Coulthard and the famous dinner with Mateshitz that convinced Newey from all accounts I've read. And the rumoured 5 million a year.

No idea who was the mastermind behind the RBPT idea. But here's Horners reply to the question.

“We've had an incredible partnership with Honda and when they initially announced their withdrawal from Formula 1 in 2020, it was with great sadness and that's what prompted the creation of Red Bull Powertrains, to take control for our own future,” he said.

I agree with this in a fair few way, part of the reason I've never really liked Horner/Toto/Zac Brown (I almost think at times Zac tries to overshadow his own drivers gate crashing the Ferrari photo) taking all the attention the Drivers and designers like Max, Oscar, Newey, Marshall, Lewis, Lando etc at times when of all of those have the smallest role - yes they are important just not to me as public figures. But Newey stayed at RBR far longer than anywhere else in his career so I think some credit to Horner for that goes but a lot of agreeing otherwise

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Rumours growing amongst staff here at Silverstone that Max to Mercedes to replace Russell will be announced imminently.

No idea whether any weight to the rumour.

Interesting where are you hearing these rumours? (Yes Silverstone obviously lol....but...)

Post F1 weekend lunch gathering for Silverstone event staff....

So no reason to assume anyone knows anything...

In fact given Merc have filled their socials with Russell posts today and Max posted to thank Horner for his time at Red Bull, I personally am now thinking it was nothing more than unfounded rumours.

Heck, could have come from the same social media admin who posted the photo of the Merc motor home chimney on Instagram

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I agree with this in a fair few way, part of the reason I've never really liked Horner/Toto/Zac Brown (I almost think at times Zac tries to overshadow his own drivers gate crashing the Ferrari photo) taking all the attention the Drivers and designers like Max, Oscar, Newey, Marshall, Lewis, Lando etc at times when of all of those have the smallest role - yes they are important just not to me as public figures. But Newey stayed at RBR far longer than anywhere else in his career so I think some credit to Horner for that goes but a lot of agreeing otherwise

Zak Brown held a steady ship and managed to go through tumultuous times to then slowly make McLaren great again.
Getting Marshall and Stella were masterstrokes. But certainly not without those guys wanting to move. Done without fanfare and without Newey.
He has a different Modus operandi to Horner. But the key thing is to leave the technical side of things, ie the single most important aspect of the sport, to the technically minded. Horner/Zak/Toto all did that. Every team boss does, and if they don't, they wont last very long.

Hence why I struggle with attributions of success directed to the TPs. The real stuff happens in the minds of the engineers and then the hands of the driver. Mismanaging a team to the point of having intentions to bonk your PA, then run a denial campaign, to then no commenting, to then casting accusations of cheating toward McLaren(water in tyres/illegal materials/flexiwing), while your team is sliding down the standings is now the clear barometer.
He didn't just bring this down on himself, he's taken an F1 team with him!

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Just a thought....

Horner for FIA President?? That would really be a way to get one over on Toto and Zak