2025 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

[Xyz22]

https://x.com/f1guydan/status/194626902 ... sKmlITLIhQ

[f1316]

https://x.com/f1guydan/status/194626902 ... sKmlITLIhQ

Tbh, Brawn and Mercedes are the same team.

So basically other than the two teams who have had historically dominant periods, Ferrari won the most races - it’s not that terrible tbh

[deadhead]

It’s pretty bad.

McLaren should be able to add at least another 10 victories to that tally by the end of the season

[ScuderiaLeo]

It's bad when you consider the drivers Ferrari has in that period. Raikkonen, Alonso, Vettel, Leclerc, Sainz, Hamilton... if you look only at the drivers, you'd assume Ferrari's success would be much much higher.

I want to add to the previous topic that Autoracer is the one who reported the power steering and the fact Leclerc protested it but was ignored. If we're choosing between listening to AR or some random youtuber, we should believe AR. But also this isn't Sainz's fault, he was just doing his job by giving feedback.

[Waz]

In 2024, Leclerc & Sainz requested 2 very different modifications to the power steering. Ferrari went in Sainz's direction. Hamilton, after his first laps with the SF-25, said: 'You're crazy to use power steering like that."


So Ferrari used the Sainz steering suggestion instead just listening to their faster driver.

This wouldn't be remotely true and sounds more like a Hamilton fan justifying the switch with absolutely everything.

Besides that, the power steering is often different on each car. We have high profile examples from Raikkonnen and Alonso at least.

[Seanspeed]

https://x.com/f1guydan/status/194626902 ... sKmlITLIhQ

Tbh, Brawn and Mercedes are the same team.

So basically other than the two teams who have had historically dominant periods, Ferrari won the most races - it’s not that terrible tbh

Worth remembering that win tallies will get racked way more these days with 20-22+ races a year. Having the best car will massively boost win tallies.

[f1316]

It’s pretty bad.

McLaren should be able to add at least another 10 victories to that tally by the end of the season

It’s an arbitrary point at which to start measuring - if you started in 2000, for example, it would look very different as 2000-2008 Ferrari dominated. If you started in 2014, it might be somewhat similar but Red Bull would have a lot fewer victories. The point is that , aside from the two teams who have absolutely dominated for periods during this arbitrary stretch, Ferrari have been the closest. That’s not really good enough for a team like Ferrari - who need to be the ones dominating, at least from time to time and it’s been too long since they’ve got all the pieces right - but it does show that they’re regularly thereabouts. I don’t think it’s any kind of indictment of the team but do hope that all these recent teething problems will finally add up to a team that can nail all the elements of a new formula in 2026z

[PlatinumZealot]

Anee
@Sedici_Ferrari on X

“The most important day for Ferrari so far this year is upon us and it’s not Race Day but Filming Day! The new rear suspension will be tested at Mugello. Can it help us consistently fight at the front?

I posted my view on the suspension a few weeks ago. I theorised then, that the SF-25 had a lower roll center which was causing greater body roll in high speed corners negatively impacting drivability. With this new suspension, I expect to see the suspension arms/wishbones be more angled which should raise the roll center. This should not only improve drivability (less roll), but just allow Ferrari to use more rear downforce. See below figure for how I expect that to happen (only directionally - because obviously I don’t have any info on what exactly will be the impact).

The vertical force acting on the car is absorbed through both suspension linkages (via control arms) and through springs/dampers. When the roll center is lower, more vertical load needs to be absorbed by the spring/damper (shown in blue). With a higher roll center, the proportion of vertical load going through the suspension linkages increases (shown in green in below diagram). Now it has been all but confirmed that the damper on SF-25 is not strong/big enough to withstand high vertical load (even The Race mentioned it in their recent video). By changing the suspension arm geometry on the new rear suspension and raising the roll center (this is my expectation - we haven’t seen any pics yet of the new suspension), more vertical load can pass through suspension linkages. If Ferrari has also managed to increase damping capacity, then this would mean increased vertical load handling capability from spring/damper. This would allow the SF-25 to run at lower ride-heights and experience more vertical force. Given in this scenario, we are asking more of the suspension linkages (compared to previous), they need to be very strong structurally to withstand the higher load. Likely this why the test is happening in Mugello. This track’s high speed corners at low ride height + high-ish dwf rear wing would generate a lot of vertical load allowing Ferrari to understand how much vertical load the new suspension setup is able to withstand.”

Don't wanna burst your bubble... There is a roll center thread on this forum where members went into deep technical discussion and analysis on roll-centers of formula 1 cars, street cars and other racing categories... Amd guess what the conclusion was??

[SB15]

Anee
@Sedici_Ferrari on X

“The most important day for Ferrari so far this year is upon us and it’s not Race Day but Filming Day! The new rear suspension will be tested at Mugello. Can it help us consistently fight at the front?

I posted my view on the suspension a few weeks ago. I theorised then, that the SF-25 had a lower roll center which was causing greater body roll in high speed corners negatively impacting drivability. With this new suspension, I expect to see the suspension arms/wishbones be more angled which should raise the roll center. This should not only improve drivability (less roll), but just allow Ferrari to use more rear downforce. See below figure for how I expect that to happen (only directionally - because obviously I don’t have any info on what exactly will be the impact).

The vertical force acting on the car is absorbed through both suspension linkages (via control arms) and through springs/dampers. When the roll center is lower, more vertical load needs to be absorbed by the spring/damper (shown in blue). With a higher roll center, the proportion of vertical load going through the suspension linkages increases (shown in green in below diagram). Now it has been all but confirmed that the damper on SF-25 is not strong/big enough to withstand high vertical load (even The Race mentioned it in their recent video). By changing the suspension arm geometry on the new rear suspension and raising the roll center (this is my expectation - we haven’t seen any pics yet of the new suspension), more vertical load can pass through suspension linkages. If Ferrari has also managed to increase damping capacity, then this would mean increased vertical load handling capability from spring/damper. This would allow the SF-25 to run at lower ride-heights and experience more vertical force. Given in this scenario, we are asking more of the suspension linkages (compared to previous), they need to be very strong structurally to withstand the higher load. Likely this why the test is happening in Mugello. This track’s high speed corners at low ride height + high-ish dwf rear wing would generate a lot of vertical load allowing Ferrari to understand how much vertical load the new suspension setup is able to withstand.”

Don't wanna burst your bubble... There is a roll center thread on this forum where members went into deep technical discussion and analysis on roll-centers of formula 1 cars, street cars and other racing categories... Amd guess what the conclusion was??

This was a quote from X. But what was the conclusion?

[JordanMugen]

It’s an arbitrary point at which to start measuring - if you started in 2000, for example, it would look very different as 2000-2008 Ferrari dominated.

Why did Ferrari see fit to dismantle the Schumacher-Todt-Brawn-Byrne super team of the mentioned period? Why not give Ross Brawn a permanent senior role with ownership as he desired, perhaps taking over from the FIA-bound Todt as team principal?

[dialtone]

It’s an arbitrary point at which to start measuring - if you started in 2000, for example, it would look very different as 2000-2008 Ferrari dominated.

Why did Ferrari see fit to dismantle the Schumacher-Todt-Brawn-Byrne super team of the mentioned period? Why not give Ross Brawn a permanent senior role with ownership as he desired, perhaps taking over from the FIA-bound Todt as team principal?

Because nobody hates Ferrari more than its management and fans.

[Sevach]

Why did Ferrari see fit to dismantle the Schumacher-Todt-Brawn-Byrne super team of the mentioned period? Why not give Ross Brawn a permanent senior role with ownership as he desired, perhaps taking over from the FIA-bound Todt as team principal?

According to the rumour mill of the time it was because Di Montezemolo felt pushed to the side and made unimportant by the Schumacher-Todt-Brawn core.

So he hired Kimi stepping over Todt and forcing Michael to make a decision, which ended up being his temporary retirement.
Todt wanted to be Ferrari president, moving from team boss to run the entire base at Maranello, road car division included, Luca didn't give him that so he walked(it was a few years before Jean decided to run for FIA president).
And ultimately he chose Domenicalli over Brawn as the new team boss, which led to Ross moving to greener pastures(Honda) where he was going to be in charge.

[PlatinumZealot]

Anee
@Sedici_Ferrari on X

“The most important day for Ferrari so far this year is upon us and it’s not Race Day but Filming Day! The new rear suspension will be tested at Mugello. Can it help us consistently fight at the front?

I posted my view on the suspension a few weeks ago. I theorised then, that the SF-25 had a lower roll center which was causing greater body roll in high speed corners negatively impacting drivability. With this new suspension, I expect to see the suspension arms/wishbones be more angled which should raise the roll center. This should not only improve drivability (less roll), but just allow Ferrari to use more rear downforce. See below figure for how I expect that to happen (only directionally - because obviously I don’t have any info on what exactly will be the impact).

The vertical force acting on the car is absorbed through both suspension linkages (via control arms) and through springs/dampers. When the roll center is lower, more vertical load needs to be absorbed by the spring/damper (shown in blue). With a higher roll center, the proportion of vertical load going through the suspension linkages increases (shown in green in below diagram). Now it has been all but confirmed that the damper on SF-25 is not strong/big enough to withstand high vertical load (even The Race mentioned it in their recent video). By changing the suspension arm geometry on the new rear suspension and raising the roll center (this is my expectation - we haven’t seen any pics yet of the new suspension), more vertical load can pass through suspension linkages. If Ferrari has also managed to increase damping capacity, then this would mean increased vertical load handling capability from spring/damper. This would allow the SF-25 to run at lower ride-heights and experience more vertical force. Given in this scenario, we are asking more of the suspension linkages (compared to previous), they need to be very strong structurally to withstand the higher load. Likely this why the test is happening in Mugello. This track’s high speed corners at low ride height + high-ish dwf rear wing would generate a lot of vertical load allowing Ferrari to understand how much vertical load the new suspension setup is able to withstand.”

Don't wanna burst your bubble... There is a roll center thread on this forum where members went into deep technical discussion and analysis on roll-centers of formula 1 cars, street cars and other racing categories... Amd guess what the conclusion was??

This was a quote from X. But what was the conclusion?

The conclusion was positioning the roll centre is not a design objective in Fromula 1. F1 suspensions member positioning is primarily designed to aid aerodynamics whether to stabilize the aero platform, allow certain body shapes, or as some sort of flow conditioner.