2025 Oracle Red Bull Racing F1 Team

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Juzh wrote:
26 Jul 2025, 12:32
Max schooling both mclaren drivers once again, despite driving a car half a second slower. Flawless execution.
Schooling is a bit of a stretch though when it is clear it is completely setup related. Both McLarens were quicker but could not overtake due to different DF settings. It’s just the way things played out.

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avantman wrote:
26 Jul 2025, 12:39
Part 4 of the Spa '14 trilogy.

This race was yet another confirmation this current set of regulations turned out to be a complete failure. Has slipstream ever been as weak in F1 history as it is now? Extremely aero efficient cars were deemed to become a failure from day 1. Remember they even tried to sell these regs saying that would allow them to ban the DRS?
Lol yes. It’s worse than ever on that front, and will surely be with the new regs as well.

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Tvetovnato wrote:
26 Jul 2025, 12:39
Juzh wrote:
26 Jul 2025, 12:32
Max schooling both mclaren drivers once again, despite driving a car half a second slower. Flawless execution.
Schooling is a bit of a stretch though when it is clear it is completely setup related. Both McLarens were quicker but could not overtake due to different DF settings. It’s just the way things played out.
Nonsense, it was all about the first corner. When Piastri cam within 4 tenths out of the corner he could have had Max. Max was just to clever to let that happen.

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Wow by Max, what a driver... What he is doing with that car against dominant Mclaren, amazing.

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Wouter wrote:
26 Jul 2025, 11:46
Did Max use the new frontwing in the sprint qualification?
no they reverted back to old wing

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Juzh wrote:
26 Jul 2025, 12:32
Max schooling both mclaren drivers once again, despite driving a car half a second slower. Flawless execution.
Remember how last year he got pole by 0,6 yet ended up stuck P6? :shock:

Yeah…where was the “schooling” then?

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DDopey wrote:
26 Jul 2025, 12:43
Tvetovnato wrote:
26 Jul 2025, 12:39
Juzh wrote:
26 Jul 2025, 12:32
Max schooling both mclaren drivers once again, despite driving a car half a second slower. Flawless execution.
Schooling is a bit of a stretch though when it is clear it is completely setup related. Both McLarens were quicker but could not overtake due to different DF settings. It’s just the way things played out.
Nonsense, it was all about the first corner. When Piastri cam within 4 tenths out of the corner he could have had Max. Max was just to clever to let that happen.
He didn't even have enough straight line speed to get alongside Max after his mistake. It was pretty obvious after that, there was no way any of the McLarens was getting past unless Max made a mistake and let them through.

On a normal race, there's pitstops to consider as well, but for a sprint, Max played the setup's strengths to perfection. Got the job done in lap 1 and it was pretty much a sealed deal after that. It was impossible for Oscar to overtake him. There were DRS trains up and down the grid. Just like there were last year as well.
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Tvetovnato wrote:
26 Jul 2025, 12:39
Juzh wrote:
26 Jul 2025, 12:32
Max schooling both mclaren drivers once again, despite driving a car half a second slower. Flawless execution.
Schooling is a bit of a stretch though when it is clear it is completely setup related. Both McLarens were quicker but could not overtake due to different DF settings. It’s just the way things played out.
True, but had the roles been reversed, Max would have still won in that Mclaren today.
By simply running less downforce at the rear, to start with. That I could pretty much guarantee you.
So, the main differentiator was the driver, not the car or its setup.

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Mclaren boys could have used a skinnier rear wing. Why didn't they?

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DDopey wrote:
26 Jul 2025, 12:43
Tvetovnato wrote:
26 Jul 2025, 12:39
Juzh wrote:
26 Jul 2025, 12:32
Max schooling both mclaren drivers once again, despite driving a car half a second slower. Flawless execution.
Schooling is a bit of a stretch though when it is clear it is completely setup related. Both McLarens were quicker but could not overtake due to different DF settings. It’s just the way things played out.
Nonsense, it was all about the first corner. When Piastri cam within 4 tenths out of the corner he could have had Max. Max was just to clever to let that happen.
How ”could he have had Max”? Peddling his feet harder into the asphalt to gain more top speed? He was at one point 3 tenths behind after Eau Rouge and could not get close with the DRS blown open. It was a good effort by Max as usual, but for sure nothing spectacular and certainly not schooling anybody.

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avantman wrote:
26 Jul 2025, 12:47
Tvetovnato wrote:
26 Jul 2025, 12:39
Juzh wrote:
26 Jul 2025, 12:32
Max schooling both mclaren drivers once again, despite driving a car half a second slower. Flawless execution.
Schooling is a bit of a stretch though when it is clear it is completely setup related. Both McLarens were quicker but could not overtake due to different DF settings. It’s just the way things played out.
True, but had the roles been reversed, Max would have still won in that Mclaren today.
By simply running less downforce at the rear, to start with. That I could pretty much guarantee you.
So, the main differentiator was the driver, not the car or its setup.
This is not a decision that a driver makes. The team decides what is the best setup to maximize the package going forward. You think Oscar and Lando enjoy having this straight line deficit? It's a conscious choice made to maximize the car for them for the entire weekend, just like RedBull tries to maximize their package through a different setup.

If the team sees there are options which bring similar pace to the table, then yes, the driver has the luxury of choice, but that doesnt happen that often.
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The excuses are rolling in...Piastri was poor in La Source. He had to be coached by his team. If not for the DRS of Max, Norris would have passed him. Verstappen had a used medium tire. The Mclarens were on new tires. What Max is doing with such a pace deficit is incredible.
It doesn't turn.

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lh13 wrote:
26 Jul 2025, 12:49
Mclaren boys could have used a skinnier rear wing. Why didn't they?
they always go safe, they always go for easier, more stable and drivable car.

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avantman wrote:
26 Jul 2025, 12:51
lh13 wrote:
26 Jul 2025, 12:49
Mclaren boys could have used a skinnier rear wing. Why didn't they?
they always go safe, they always go for easier, more stable and drivable car.
Imagine the kind of margin they have on others, to be able to afford decisions like this.

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avantman wrote:
26 Jul 2025, 12:47
Tvetovnato wrote:
26 Jul 2025, 12:39
Juzh wrote:
26 Jul 2025, 12:32
Max schooling both mclaren drivers once again, despite driving a car half a second slower. Flawless execution.
Schooling is a bit of a stretch though when it is clear it is completely setup related. Both McLarens were quicker but could not overtake due to different DF settings. It’s just the way things played out.
True, but had the roles been reversed, Max would have still won in that Mclaren today.
By simply running less downforce at the rear, to start with. That I could pretty much guarantee you.
So, the main differentiator was the driver, not the car or its setup.
That is all hypothetical and may or may not have happened, so it’s no real argument to make a case here. Max sealed it on lap one, and then it was about not making mistakes. Good effort, but nothing special.