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for first ever F1 race , and considering his age , he did well
ok , his tactics were not beyond reproach , but what is called for is a severe rap on the knuckles behind the scenes
if he does it again , that's a different matter
face the fact , a competitive japanese driver would be great for F1 , and he showed a real competitive spirit combined with a great deal of skill both in wet and dry conditions ..I for one hope he gets a chance and makes the grade!
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Webber did the same exact thing to Kimi, and he is experienced, knows better, has been told about it in the past(and penalized for it) and is the pres of the GPDA... Webber should really have been penalized as well as Kobay
Reventon wrote:I'm surprised their was no penalty for Kobayashi, he could have killed Nakajima.
Meh.
He made one move.
Motor racing can be dangerous, I'm sure Nakajima is aware of that.
Reventon wrote:
And their is no mention of his weaving in the press as yet, bizarre.
What, just cos the new "wonderboy" (aka Button) claimed he was weaving doesn't mean he was. I would reckon it was more a diversion as Button was too inept to pass in a car ~3 seconds/lap quicker at that point.
Kobayashi did a great job for his first F1 race and made the race more interesting than it already was I hope to see more from him in the future
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Reventon wrote:I'm surprised their was no penalty for Kobayashi, he could have killed Nakajima.
Meh.
He made one move.
Motor racing can be dangerous, I'm sure Nakajima is aware of that.
Reventon wrote:
And their is no mention of his weaving in the press as yet, bizarre.
What, just cos the new "wonderboy" (aka Button) claimed he was weaving doesn't mean he was. I would reckon it was more a diversion as Button was too inept to pass in a car ~3 seconds/lap quicker at that point.
Kobayashi was far too agressive and dangerous in his defence at times. His move on Kazuki was awful. To move across the path so late and when that car is closing at highspeed is not a good move. Kazuki in fairness should have stuck to the track and taken Kamui out with him.
As for your Jenson comment - Did you watch the race? it's not like he's the first person to get stuck behind a slower car. It was fairly obvious that his straight line advantage was being hampered by graining and a lack of downforce when it came to exiting the last corner and getting the required traction. I thought it was clear that he dropped back for a couple of laps to get the tyres and engine back in the green before launching another attempt. Kamui demonstrated how wild and unpredictable he was with Kazuki, so its not a massive surprise that it took JB a few laps to get a clean pass sorted.
If KK can settle down and be less dangerous I think he has the speed to make it.
His move on Nakajima was unquestionably dangerous and should be sanction for it, but as far as racing against Button before(and even when racing against Nakajima earlier on through the Senna Esses), he did not do anything that was out of line. Most of the time with Button he just stuck in the middle, he did not turn into him, did not touch him, and left him exactly one car width, even when Button clearly overshot turn one and ran wide they didn't touch. Something that can't be said for Rubens on Ham in the same race, or the countless David Coulthard incidents last year......Button's complain was unfounded IMO....it was robust defensive driving that was within the rule...
While Kobayashi was robust but fair most of the time, his move on Nakajima and Webber's move on Raikkonen were unquestionably dangerous.
What they both did was wait for the guy behind to get a run, pull out and be virtually alongside and then simply move over with no time at all for the guy behind to react. Kobayashi should learn and get a slap on the wrist but this isn't the first time Webber has performed some amateur defensive manoeuvres, and as such you have to question his competence. His sheepishness when he gets asks about these incidents doesn't help, because it makes it look as if he doesn't know what he's doing.
Drivers who know what they're doing will generally make it clear they'll defend as soon as they know you are going to get a run at them, so they will position themselves accordingly, take the middle of the track, break your slipstream and make sure you can't get close enough. While Schumacher and Senna had some dodgy moments that's generally what they did. They were always thinking ahead so the guy behind couldn't get close enough, or they would give room and then make sure they outbraked the guy behind and got in position at the next corner. For some reason Webber thinks that he's Senna or someone in these circumstances and wants to prove it, but he just isn't. He has only one manoeuvre - the defensive chop. It's certainly not been the first time. I can remember an eye watering move on Alonso where Alonso took to the grass and could have went anywhere as well as his ludicrous move against Barrichello where you see him look in his mirror while Barrichello is alongside and he just moves the wheel and dunches him.
Kobayashi should get a warning, but Webber needs a serious ticking off. If he isn't stopped then we will see a car being launched right over his back wheels and we will see a serious accident eventually. Mark my words.
Kobayashi is a legend in my view on his first race didnt give the experienced lads a chance, a lesser driver would have tried not to get involved.
other than the dangerous move on the williams, i did not see any thing wrong with his driving.
he fought like hell and all drivers should have the same mentality!!!
www.crash.net wrote:
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It is widely understood that the Toyota top brass in Japan are applying pressure for the 23-year-old to be promoted to the race line-up in 2010; indeed, when Glock was ruled out of Japanese Grand Prix practice at Suzuka earlier this month with a bad cold, some cynics mused that it might in fact have been 'Kobayashi fever'. With the company's Tokyo board meeting on 15 November due to decide the team's continuation or otherwise in the sport, the announcement that arguably the country's most promising young star in years is going to be on the driving strength full-time might go a long way.
“You have to say we have to give him serious consideration,” Howett reflected, “but still pace-wise he was a bit slow, so we have to see.”
I don't find Trulli much faster meeting Sutil car and the wall.
I watched the bbc footage again, and I didn't see him weave once! only his block on nakajima, and an otherwise excellent race. Shame the stewards aren't more consistent with their penalty's from race to race though.
Complain and cry for hard racing... then when they get it, they cry and complain about it being 'dangerous'.
Never happy. Motorsport is intrinsically dangerous...
Kobayashi's only mistake was not squeezing Button to the apex of T1 when he (Button) finally made his overtaking move.
If I was in his position, I would actually have went out of my way to lay down a few more markers for the future. If everyone knows they can expect zero compromise, then they'll not be so quick to try and launch one up the inside from a distance (a la Button on Buemi) in the future.
