2025 Oracle Red Bull Racing F1 Team

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Jurgen von Diaz
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pantherxxx wrote:
Jurgen von Diaz wrote:
27 Jul 2025, 07:29
Dry or not, Max said he is fighting with Leclerc, not McLarens. He has beaten prime McLarens in Brazil '24, why doesn't he believe he can do it again? His car is now even set up in rain conditions.
Because MCL38 didn't have a phase changing materials to always keep the right tyre temperature regardless of conditions. The MCL39 supposedly does, it's the most dominant F1 car in the history of the sport, they just don't have enough good drivers to maximize points.
Well, Max just overtook and kept McLaren behind him on a dry track in the sprint. On a wet track, I see only possibilities for Max.

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Sergej
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so the bet on a wet race won't pay off

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Vettel165
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Yeah the track will dry up, and we will be nowhere on the straights, our only advantage we had.

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this should be considered as blatant manipulation of race outcome by the FIA.

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Juzh
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Cant even catch Leclerc and being hurried by Russell in mercedes of all cars. This high downforce setup hasn't gone well. Seems like no matter which direction they go it's not the right one. Silverstone low DF, Spa high DF - same bad result.

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Lets see, may be tire wear is better on high DF

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Juzh wrote:
27 Jul 2025, 16:58
Cant even catch Leclerc and being hurried by Russell in mercedes of all cars. This high downforce setup hasn't gone well. Seems like no matter which direction they go it's not the right one. Silverstone low DF, Spa high DF - same bad result.
You can't setup your way out of a slow car.

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Guys, car is just not good enough.
Call a spade, a spade.

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Sergej
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very tough luck with weather/FIA race management, plus he had switched to an old PU before the start so even less juice on the straights

pity that two races where the car was good, and two races ruined by setup/weather

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Gotta give to leclerc as well, managed to get P3 in quali and keep Max at bay when ferrari was clearly not as fast, then both had nearly identical pace till the end. That wheelspin in Q3 turned to be quite costly.

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In Silverstone they activated the DRS quite early with several laps on inters afterwards. Here they waited until everyone switched to slicks and the track was dry. Not to mention starting the race when it was nearly dry...Max would have been through for P3 anywhere from lap 7-8 if they activated the DRS as eagerly as they did in Silverstone when Max was leading on inters...
It doesn't turn.

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Sergej wrote:
27 Jul 2025, 17:46
very tough luck with weather/FIA race management, plus he had switched to an old PU before the start so even less juice on the straights

pity that two races where the car was good, and two races ruined by setup/weather

today Max was on almost the same level of DF/drag as race winning mclaren. how can you blame the setup then for ending up 20+ seconds behind it? you think it would be better on setup from yesterday? I do not think so, no way he would make tires to last maintaining similar pace.

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Juzh wrote:
27 Jul 2025, 17:51
Gotta give to leclerc as well, managed to get P3 in quali and keep Max at bay when ferrari was clearly not as fast, then both had nearly identical pace till the end. That wheelspin in Q3 turned to be quite costly.
clearly not as fast? based on? I never saw max coming even in the DRS range once all race on medium.

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avantman wrote:
27 Jul 2025, 18:04
Juzh wrote:
27 Jul 2025, 17:51
Gotta give to leclerc as well, managed to get P3 in quali and keep Max at bay when ferrari was clearly not as fast, then both had nearly identical pace till the end. That wheelspin in Q3 turned to be quite costly.
clearly not as fast? based on? I never saw max coming even in the DRS range once all race on medium.
Ferrari was quite obviously slower on inters

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avantman wrote:
27 Jul 2025, 18:04
Juzh wrote:
27 Jul 2025, 17:51
Gotta give to leclerc as well, managed to get P3 in quali and keep Max at bay when ferrari was clearly not as fast, then both had nearly identical pace till the end. That wheelspin in Q3 turned to be quite costly.
clearly not as fast? based on? I never saw max coming even in the DRS range once all race on medium.
I think in qualifying trim Max should have started ahead and would have built a gap when the track was wet. They waited ages to activate the DRS and that was the only window. Slowest car on the straights and heavy clipping on the kemmel.
It doesn't turn.