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[avantman]

Gotta give to leclerc as well, managed to get P3 in quali and keep Max at bay when ferrari was clearly not as fast, then both had nearly identical pace till the end. That wheelspin in Q3 turned to be quite costly.

clearly not as fast? based on? I never saw max coming even in the DRS range once all race on medium.

Ferrari was quite obviously slower on inters

Ferrari? You mean Leclerc specifically, because Hamilton was the fastest car on track except for 2 Mclaren. Leclerc is bellow average driver in such conditions and yeah he had lower downforce setup which did not suit the conditions and very short first stint. On medium he easily drove away. never looking like he was driving a slower car. and by the way, neither in Austria nor at Silverstone did that Ferrari (even driven by 40+ old Lewis) looked like a slower car than the RB21. Ferrari is already faster again,just like they were last year. The only surprise it took them so long this year.

[Sergej]

very tough luck with weather/FIA race management, plus he had switched to an old PU before the start so even less juice on the straights

pity that two races where the car was good, and two races ruined by setup/weather

today Max was on almost the same level of DF/drag as race winning mclaren. how can you blame the setup then for ending up 20+ seconds behind it? you think it would be better on setup from yesterday? I do not think so, no way he would make tires to last maintaining similar pace.

forget about McLarens, there is no race against them

but podium would have been much easier with the right setup OR, if they would have gone racing in the wet

I'm not "blaming" setup or anything, just noticing, not that I care too much of a podium lost either...

[Watto]

I do find it disappointing they don't do half a dozen laps behind the SC to try and clear as much water as possible before assessing the conditions when it wasn't raining I don't think it would have meant they would have challanged the McLarens today but I have never been a fan of it

[avantman]

very tough luck with weather/FIA race management, plus he had switched to an old PU before the start so even less juice on the straights

pity that two races where the car was good, and two races ruined by setup/weather

today Max was on almost the same level of DF/drag as race winning mclaren. how can you blame the setup then for ending up 20+ seconds behind it? you think it would be better on setup from yesterday? I do not think so, no way he would make tires to last maintaining similar pace.

forget about McLarens, there is no race against them

but podium would have been much easier with the right setup OR, if they would have gone racing in the wet

I'm not "blaming" setup or anything, just noticing, not that I care too much of a podium lost either...

of course podium was possible if he qualified ahead or we had a proper race director. but who really cares about these podiums? do you feel sad he did not finish p3 today? The only reason I feel sad today is it feels like a wasted Sunday. Days like this make me question why do I still watch this 'sport'. and I really struggle to find any reason bar 'to see Max Verstappen'.

[Snorked]

Yuki getting an VCARB strategy special?

What’s the radio delay on messages? Totally shafted his race not pitting when Max did.

https://dubz.link/c/504620

[Sergej]

today Max was on almost the same level of DF/drag as race winning mclaren. how can you blame the setup then for ending up 20+ seconds behind it? you think it would be better on setup from yesterday? I do not think so, no way he would make tires to last maintaining similar pace.

forget about McLarens, there is no race against them

but podium would have been much easier with the right setup OR, if they would have gone racing in the wet

I'm not "blaming" setup or anything, just noticing, not that I care too much of a podium lost either...

of course podium was possible if he qualified ahead or we had a proper race director. but who really cares about these podiums? do you feel sad he did not finish p3 today? The only reason I feel sad today is it feels like a wasted Sunday. Days like this make me question why do I still watch this 'sport'. and I really struggle to find any reason bar 'to see Max Verstappen'.

mate I literally wrote "not that I care too much of a podium lost" I was just commenting on the results, otherwise let's close the forum and go to the seaside

[Bill]

Yuki getting an VCARB strategy special?

What’s the radio delay on messages? Totally shafted his race not pitting when Max did.

https://dubz.link/c/504620

They did a good strategy with him in Miami sprint they should have repeated especially because he ask for it.lewis didnt do anything special other than pit early. double stacking is another option by the time you pit the next one is already too late.

[AR3-GP]

Yuki getting an VCARB strategy special?

What’s the radio delay on messages? Totally shafted his race not pitting when Max did.

https://dubz.link/c/504620

That's not really the main issue. He was too slow. He got passed by a Sauber and a Haas in the last 3 laps. If they could pass him on a track which was almost impossible to overtake, then the cars further up would have also passed him and he would have been out of the points regardless.

This is exactly why I warned people not to let yesterday's qualifying and the "evil Horner", "updates were holding him back" narratives go to their heads. Could not pass an Alpine, and then passed by a Haas and a Sauber...

I am not trying to be harsh towards him, but I think it just shows the car itself hasn't improved much. The clue that it improved is 2 things. (1) The second driver becomes higher up and (2) Max fighting for wins. None of these things actually happened and Max still has the same balance issues.

The fastest laps say the same thing for Yuki. He best lap was 19th out of 20 cars. He would have been cannon fodder for the other cars in the top 10 even if he pitted on the same lap as Max. He was just too slow. So much for the "update" narrative...

[avantman]

Did Yuki forget he had updated floor which gave him 'extra load he felt immediately' [makes me question if he knew he also had much more loaded wings as well not just new floor for Quali] and 0.5s of lap time? 54 seconds behind Max...

[Bill]

Yuki getting an VCARB strategy special?

What’s the radio delay on messages? Totally shafted his race not pitting when Max did.

https://dubz.link/c/504620

That's not really the main issue. He was too slow. He got passed by a Sauber and a Haas in the last 3 laps. If they could pass him on a track which was almost impossible to overtake, then the cars further up would have also passed him and he would have been out of the points regardless.

This is exactly why I warned people not to let yesterday's qualifying and the "evil Horner", "updates were holding him back" narratives go to their heads. Could not pass an Alpine, and then passed by a Haas and a Sauber...

I am not trying to be harsh towards him, but I think it just shows the car itself hasn't improved much. The clue that it improved is 2 things. (1) The second driver becomes higher up and (2) Max fighting for wins. None of these things actually happened and Max still has the same balance issues.

The fastest laps say the same thing for Yuki. He best lap was 19th out of 20 cars. He would have been cannon fodder for the other cars in the top 10 even if he pitted on the same lap as Max. He was just too slow. So much for the "update" narrative...

https://i.postimg.cc/XvJhFd7Q/image.png

its not easy to overtake piatri had a problem with with Max in sprint race.if yuki maintained his position no one would have overtook him he was far ahead.he gave up in last lap because they was nothing to fight for and tires were gone. those is a major screw up from team,they pitted him 3 laps after Max.

[AR3-GP]

Yuki getting an VCARB strategy special?

What’s the radio delay on messages? Totally shafted his race not pitting when Max did.

https://dubz.link/c/504620

That's not really the main issue. He was too slow. He got passed by a Sauber and a Haas in the last 3 laps. If they could pass him on a track which was almost impossible to overtake, then the cars further up would have also passed him and he would have been out of the points regardless.

This is exactly why I warned people not to let yesterday's qualifying and the "evil Horner", "updates were holding him back" narratives go to their heads. Could not pass an Alpine, and then passed by a Haas and a Sauber...

I am not trying to be harsh towards him, but I think it just shows the car itself hasn't improved much. The clue that it improved is 2 things. (1) The second driver becomes higher up and (2) Max fighting for wins. None of these things actually happened and Max still has the same balance issues.

The fastest laps say the same thing for Yuki. He best lap was 19th out of 20 cars. He would have been cannon fodder for the other cars in the top 10 even if he pitted on the same lap as Max. He was just too slow. So much for the "update" narrative...

https://i.postimg.cc/XvJhFd7Q/image.png

its not easy to overtake piatri had a problem with with Max in sprint race.if yuki maintained his position no one would have overtook him he was far ahead.he gave up in last lap because they was nothing to fight for and tires were gone. those is a major screw up from team,they pitted him 3 laps after Max.

Piastri was fighting Max in a Red Bull. All Tsunoda had to do was pass an Alpine powered by the championship's worst PU. There are no excuses for "giving up" places at the end to a Sauber and a Haas so that is a fabrication I'm afraid. How would he have held back Hadjar and Bortoleto who were much faster? What do you mean he had "nothing to fight for"? He should be showing that it was worth the risk of Max having no spare parts next weekend.

I hope Yuki can do well but wanted to call out the nonsense we were having to read in the last day or 2 about Yuki only being slow because of "updates". Red Bull doesn't even know if the updates will work most of the time. Their simulator and windtunnel are rubbish. Updates have made the car worse in the last year and a half. There are many reasons why the situation looks like this. Yuki crashed his car heavily in Imola destroying everything and it only compounds the budget deficit that Perez racked up with his own crashes of new chassis and new aero packages in the last 2 years. Then Red Bull tested many hybrid floors. Check the technical thread. Some were good and some were bad. They would have wasted so much money reproducing full sets of parts and spares for Yuki that are scrapped when the updates don't even work most of the time.

They said Yuki's floor was "2 updates behind". That is because the next floor update after the one he had was a failure and they had to bring another floor to Silverstone at the last round. This is exactly why it didn't make sense to keep having dual sets of upgrades only to discover it's not working or making the car harder to drive. The floor he has now is the one that Max got 1 race ago. Yuki got to "skip" parts that didn't work. Lucky him. The people who don't see the bigger picture are of course a) fans of Yuki and b) detractors of Max who think his teammates are slow because the car is not the same. Max has been a test mule all season long with hybrid floors and extreme wing specs because he is an experienced and adaptable driver who can handle all of the swings of performance and handling that are coming from these test parts and extreme setups in a very difficult car. Tsunoda needs a consistent car specification that he can run for several races to get used to, not something which is changing from race to race and session to session.

[vorticism]

>team is seismically restructuring
>team owners in a race to out-fumble one another
>all the executives are gone
>new team principal arrived a few days ago
>fielding the same car 2 years in a row
>show up with your techs to the first race after all of this
>do a little motor racing
>win

lol. That said, the gamble with going higher DF for the main race didn't fully pay out, but it did at least secure maintenance of qualifying position.

[avantman]

he gave up in last lap because they was nothing to fight for and tires were gone.

Of course that is completely false, nobody does that and if it was true he should be fired today.

[Sergej]

Van Haren says Max is definitely staying at Red Bull next year, exit clause has expired as well.

[F1Sara]

Van Haren says Max is definitely staying at Red Bull next year, exit clause has expired as well.

Dutch aricle Van Haren

https://www.telegraaf.nl/sport/autospor ... 45199.html