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[diffuser]

The only positive thing I can take from all this nonsense... is that my much-admired Colin Chapman was a true genius. Even greater than all the current engineers and supposed wizards of blah blah blah. And the whole current F1 thing with its regulations, TV cameras everywhere, gossip even during races with engineers telling the drivers outlandish things, computers, simulations, and nonsense with weather forecasts based on radar data... virtual and real safety cars... it's rubbish. Sorry, but that's what I really think: they're killing the real F1.

You lost me on the jump to Chapman.

[hollus]

And the post is not for this thread.

[Otromundo]

Hahaha, sorry, Diffuser. The mention of Chapman (whom I've always truly admired) is an irony directed at today's engineers and designers. Mr. Chapman designed his wonderful Lotus cars using intuition, logic, and the help of his creative brain and a pencil. No computers, no simulators. And his cars worked incredibly well. This comment is directed at Mr. Stroll, Mr. Newey, and everyone around them.

I'm unpleasantly surprised that, with the fortune AM has spent on technicians and technology, they didn't foresee the current situation. They should have talked about it when they signed the contracts. And I'm even more surprised that they haven't achieved anything positive.

The long wait for the track to dry drove me to despair. If they don't want wet races, let them say so. That was the final straw. When the race finally started, Alonso was already eliminated. For me, that's not F1.

[Otromundo]

And the post is not for this thread.

I hope I've clarified that point. Although if you think I should delete the comment, I have no problem doing so.

Quite simply, the team's technical direction is driving me crazy.

Edited: Sorry, I'll delete the post. It was an outburst born of frustration. I've been mulling over the current disastrous situation for a while now...

[diffuser]

Hahaha, sorry, Diffuser. The mention of Chapman (whom I've always truly admired) is an irony directed at today's engineers and designers. Mr. Chapman designed his wonderful Lotus cars using intuition, logic, and the help of his creative brain and a pencil. No computers, no simulators. And his cars worked incredibly well. This comment is directed at Mr. Stroll, Mr. Newey, and everyone around them.

I'm unpleasantly surprised that, with the fortune AM has spent on technicians and technology, they didn't foresee the current situation. They should have talked about it when they signed the contracts. And I'm even more surprised that they haven't achieved anything positive.

The long wait for the track to dry drove me to despair. If they don't want wet races, let them say so. That was the final straw. When the race finally started, Alonso was already eliminated. For me, that's not F1.

Sure, they foresaw struggles.

On another subject, I can't say I'm gonna miss this set of regulations. I always thought that one of the best parts of F1 was to see the aerodynamics and in these regs that beauty is hidden.

[Ashwinv16]

Hungary could be a surprise if they put all the new parts together.

[diffuser]

Hungary could be a surprise if they put all the new parts together.

[zoroastar]

Hahaha, sorry, Diffuser. The mention of Chapman (whom I've always truly admired) is an irony directed at today's engineers and designers. Mr. Chapman designed his wonderful Lotus cars using intuition, logic, and the help of his creative brain and a pencil. No computers, no simulators. And his cars worked incredibly well. This comment is directed at Mr. Stroll, Mr. Newey, and everyone around them.

I'm unpleasantly surprised that, with the fortune AM has spent on technicians and technology, they didn't foresee the current situation. They should have talked about it when they signed the contracts. And I'm even more surprised that they haven't achieved anything positive.

The long wait for the track to dry drove me to despair. If they don't want wet races, let them say so. That was the final straw. When the race finally started, Alonso was already eliminated. For me, that's not F1.

i mean aston martin have a completely new team and facility since the the last time they built a race car. it sounds like you want to throw in the towel before things get good haha. im not gonna compare newey to collin chapman because its 2 different eras, but newey is cut from the same cloth. you have to give him time to make a car first haha. they are stuck with the 2 year old car they have until 26 rolls around. if things dont improve in hungary itll be pretty disapointing though.

i totally agree with the stupid rain delay. i guess they wanted to show everyone how exciting the radical tire offset would be in the dry... fail.. did anyone besides lando even use the hard tire? i would go back and check if i wanted to be bored out of my mind again for3 hours straight

[zoroastar]

Hahaha, sorry, Diffuser. The mention of Chapman (whom I've always truly admired) is an irony directed at today's engineers and designers. Mr. Chapman designed his wonderful Lotus cars using intuition, logic, and the help of his creative brain and a pencil. No computers, no simulators. And his cars worked incredibly well. This comment is directed at Mr. Stroll, Mr. Newey, and everyone around them.

I'm unpleasantly surprised that, with the fortune AM has spent on technicians and technology, they didn't foresee the current situation. They should have talked about it when they signed the contracts. And I'm even more surprised that they haven't achieved anything positive.

The long wait for the track to dry drove me to despair. If they don't want wet races, let them say so. That was the final straw. When the race finally started, Alonso was already eliminated. For me, that's not F1.

Sure, they foresaw struggles.

On another subject, I can't say I'm gonna miss this set of regulations. I always thought that one of the best parts of F1 was to see the aerodynamics and in these regs that beauty is hidden.

yeah this has been a bad set of regs. a lot of people are saying the next ones will be bad too. hopefully we in the aston forum will see how great a bad set of regs can be, if you are the team dominating said "bad regs"

2026 cant come soon enough for me. there will be a lot to talk about in the designs whether the competition is good or not. im still confused by the active aero rules. i wonder if newey can make the high rake cars a thing again with the limited ground effects

[Otromundo]

Hahaha, sorry, Diffuser. The mention of Chapman (whom I've always truly admired) is an irony .../...That was the final straw. When the race finally started, Alonso was already eliminated. For me, that's not F1.

i mean aston martin have a completely new team and facility since the the last time they built a race car. it sounds like you want to throw in the towel before things get good haha. im not gonna compare newey to collin chapman because its 2 different eras, but newey is cut from the same cloth. you have to give him time to make a car first haha. they are stuck with the 2 year old car they have until 26 rolls around. if things dont improve in hungary itll be pretty disapointing though.

i totally agree with the stupid rain delay. i guess they wanted to show everyone how exciting the radical tire offset would be in the dry... fail.. did anyone besides lando even use the hard tire? i would go back and check if i wanted to be bored out of my mind again for3 hours straight

For a loooong time, I've thought exactly as you propose: they have a lot of new things and people... we have to give them some time... they've chosen the best and it's all a matter of getting organized... And I've defended the entire new team tooth and nail, including both Stroll Sr. and even Stroll Jr. Something not everyone has done.

But the '23 season ended bitterly, the next one was worse, and this one is following a similar path despite the experience the previous team should have accumulated, the new signings who are even more talented, the time they've had to anticipate the current situation, even more so considering the fortune they've invested in all of it. But I don't see any significant progress. And the current gossip about driver changes is starting to get to me. Indeed, I'm about to throw in the towel. And since I'm suspicious... considering the VER, RUS thing... and Fernando's age... Hmm

Chapman's point was more directed at Newey and company, precisely because he is also from the old-school pen-and-paper camp. I'm just going to see if they read this forum, get angry, even if it means provoking their anger, and produce something remarkable for once. They're driving me crazy with so much disorganization and erratic direction. If I were the team leader, their ears would have been ringing for a loooong time.

I guess I made myself clear: haha, you're a joker (this is meant affectionately).

I'm sorry, I'm not 100% Spanish, something that has always been obvious to those around me. Even those abroad never think I'm Spanish. But I have that Spanish rage when something gets on my nerves. And AM and "modern F1" are really getting me. This weekend I would have burned a few people to the bone! ... We,ll see in Hungary ...

[zoroastar]

Hahaha, sorry, Diffuser. The mention of Chapman (whom I've always truly admired) is an irony .../...That was the final straw. When the race finally started, Alonso was already eliminated. For me, that's not F1.

i mean aston martin have a completely new team and facility since the the last time they built a race car. it sounds like you want to throw in the towel before things get good haha. im not gonna compare newey to collin chapman because its 2 different eras, but newey is cut from the same cloth. you have to give him time to make a car first haha. they are stuck with the 2 year old car they have until 26 rolls around. if things dont improve in hungary itll be pretty disapointing though.

i totally agree with the stupid rain delay. i guess they wanted to show everyone how exciting the radical tire offset would be in the dry... fail.. did anyone besides lando even use the hard tire? i would go back and check if i wanted to be bored out of my mind again for3 hours straight

For a loooong time, I've thought exactly as you propose: they have a lot of new things and people... we have to give them some time... they've chosen the best and it's all a matter of getting organized... And I've defended the entire new team tooth and nail, including both Stroll Sr. and even Stroll Jr. Something not everyone has done.

But the '23 season ended bitterly, the next one was worse, and this one is following a similar path despite the experience the previous team should have accumulated, the new signings who are even more talented, the time they've had to anticipate the current situation, even more so considering the fortune they've invested in all of it. But I don't see any significant progress. And the current gossip about driver changes is starting to get to me. Indeed, I'm about to throw in the towel. And since I'm suspicious... considering the VER, RUS thing... and Fernando's age... Hmm

Chapman's point was more directed at Newey and company, precisely because he is also from the old-school pen-and-paper camp. I'm just going to see if they read this forum, get angry, even if it means provoking their anger, and produce something remarkable for once. They're driving me crazy with so much disorganization and erratic direction. If I were the team leader, their ears would have been ringing for a loooong time.

I guess I made myself clear: haha, you're a joker (this is meant affectionately).

I'm sorry, I'm not 100% Spanish, something that has always been obvious to those around me. Even those abroad never think I'm Spanish. But I have that Spanish rage when something gets on my nerves. And AM and "modern F1" are really getting me. This weekend I would have burned a few people to the bone! ... We,ll see in Hungary ...

yeah it has been a frustrating couple of years, or decade, if youre an alonso fan haha. part of newey and cowells job right nowis understanding who they have, what they need, and who is not pulling their weight, and getting more people that do, in order to build a team. unfortunately that could take some time, but there is hope still that they can make some magic with what they have in the meantime.

i think the one thing we can now say 99.9% is that nobody is replacing alonso in 2026 unless he decides to quit racing himself. it was all a bunch of noise. so stick around at least another year