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Great race!
Great strategy!
Both drivers fast!

Feels like 2023 again, so good!

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Jambier wrote:
03 Aug 2025, 18:57


Feels like 2023 again, so good!
No, absolutely not. They are a minute behind the leader today, only the result was good to be honest. The car pace was relatively better to their direct opponents, but very hard races ahead (Monza, Baku or Vegas).

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-wkst- wrote:
03 Aug 2025, 19:14
Jambier wrote:
03 Aug 2025, 18:57


Feels like 2023 again, so good!
No, absolutely not. They are a minute behind the leader today, only the result was good to be honest. The car pace was relatively better to their direct opponents, but very hard races ahead (Monza, Baku or Vegas).
To be fair, nobody was within 20 seconds of McLaren. We were 20 seconds off the car ahead of us though. We were never close to challenging Max in 2023 either.

Anyways, think the goal this year is 5th.

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Canada and Monaco were good opportunities to challenge VER in 2023. Today was a typical 2024 race pre summerbreak in my opinion. That we are satisfied with todays result just shows how low the expectations are currently…

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Fernando Alonso's story is certainly not finished in Formula 1. His ability to toy with his competition is always quite amusing. Every lap that he drives is deliberate. Bortoleto learned that he never had a chance today :lol:
It doesn't turn.

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-wkst- wrote:
03 Aug 2025, 20:56
Canada and Monaco were good opportunities to challenge VER in 2023. Today was a typical 2024 race pre summerbreak in my opinion. That we are satisfied with todays result just shows how low the expectations are currently…
Think the expectations have been low for 2025 since September 2024.

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Think this the article the x post was quoting.

https://lastwordonsports.com/motorsport ... s-project/

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RedNEO wrote:
03 Aug 2025, 17:40
We went into this race not thinking we could maintain the same position and for whatever reason we actually had good race pace like 2023. Could manage things perfectly
The race pace was significantly worse than the qualifying pace would have suggested.

Alonso was within a tenth of pole, yet was much slower than Leclerc in the race.

AM/Alonso were fortunate that nobody behind them were much faster, really. A good job, but still lots of work to do if they want to be a more regular threat on Sundays.

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Seanspeed wrote:
03 Aug 2025, 23:44
RedNEO wrote:
03 Aug 2025, 17:40
We went into this race not thinking we could maintain the same position and for whatever reason we actually had good race pace like 2023. Could manage things perfectly
The race pace was significantly worse than the qualifying pace would have suggested.

Alonso was within a tenth of pole, yet was much slower than Leclerc in the race.

AM/Alonso were fortunate that nobody behind them were much faster, really. A good job, but still lots of work to do if they want to be a more regular threat on Sundays.
Depends which stint. In LeClerc last stint, Alobso was lapping 1 - 2 seconds a lap faster.

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diffuser wrote:
03 Aug 2025, 23:46
Seanspeed wrote:
03 Aug 2025, 23:44
RedNEO wrote:
03 Aug 2025, 17:40
We went into this race not thinking we could maintain the same position and for whatever reason we actually had good race pace like 2023. Could manage things perfectly
The race pace was significantly worse than the qualifying pace would have suggested.

Alonso was within a tenth of pole, yet was much slower than Leclerc in the race.

AM/Alonso were fortunate that nobody behind them were much faster, really. A good job, but still lots of work to do if they want to be a more regular threat on Sundays.
Depends which stint. In LeClerc last stint, Alobso was lapping 1 - 2 seconds a lap faster.
Leclerc was clearly dealing with some massive problems in the last stint, though. If we ignore Leclerc, then replace that with Piastri who was basically keeping time with Leclerc over the same period. Or even Russell who gained like a 11+ second gap on Alonso in the first stint.

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Seanspeed wrote:
03 Aug 2025, 23:44
The race pace was significantly worse than the qualifying pace would have suggested.

Alonso was within a tenth of pole, yet was much slower than Leclerc in the race.

AM/Alonso were fortunate that nobody behind them were much faster, really. A good job, but still lots of work to do if they want to be a more regular threat on Sundays.
It's not comparable. Alonso was on a 1 stop strategy and didnt push for most of the race. He knew Bortoleto couldn't pass him and he just had to get the tires to the end. He wouldn't have anticipated Leclerc's problems. By then it was too late to catch him. I suspect he could have troubled Leclerc with a bit less pace management.
It doesn't turn.

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Doesnt matter so much if the results, were good or bad, they improved that car this year unlike last 2 seasons, they real objective is this. Im praying for 2026 and Honda

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Alonso's gaps to the cars in front or the leaders are misleading in this race.
Russel and Leclerc where fighting for a podium and the McLarens where fighting for the win.
All cars in front of Alonso where pushing or trying to push as much as possible without destroying their tires.
Alonso on the other hand, was managing tires for many laps in each stint until he got confirmation that tires temps where stabilized and he was pushing only when he had too. When he actually had to push for a few laps, the pace was always there and it was really good.

EDIT: i rewatched his onboard and team radio, and i can verify that from lap 53 onwards, Alonso was indeed pushing and doing quali laps until the end. He said it to his engineer himself "its quali laps from me till the end, tell me if it is otherwise" or something like that.

After that radio msg on lap 53, Alonso dropped from low 1.21s to low 1.20s started going 1s faster that what he was doing in his 11 laps that was gently brining in and stabilizing temps on his hards.
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-wkst- wrote:
03 Aug 2025, 20:56
Canada and Monaco were good opportunities to challenge VER in 2023. Today was a typical 2024 race pre summerbreak in my opinion. That we are satisfied with todays result just shows how low the expectations are currently…
"Never" equals 3 or less times they had opportunity :D

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AR3-GP wrote:
04 Aug 2025, 00:14
Seanspeed wrote:
03 Aug 2025, 23:44
The race pace was significantly worse than the qualifying pace would have suggested.

Alonso was within a tenth of pole, yet was much slower than Leclerc in the race.

AM/Alonso were fortunate that nobody behind them were much faster, really. A good job, but still lots of work to do if they want to be a more regular threat on Sundays.
It's not comparable. Alonso was on a 1 stop strategy and didnt push for most of the race. He knew Bortoleto couldn't pass him and he just had to get the tires to the end. He wouldn't have anticipated Leclerc's problems. By then it was too late to catch him. I suspect he could have troubled Leclerc with a bit less pace management.
Alonso had built up a 8 second gap to Bortoleto before letting him create back to 7, then pitting. So that's not really true. It was only from laps 6 to 12 when Alonso was lifting and coasting to save tires that Bortoleto was close. From lap 12 to when he pitted he just pulled away.

That being said there was alot of strategy going on in the race. Like lots lift and coast to save fuel so they could later use higher PU power modes. Once Alonso got to 8 seconds ahead of Bortoleto he went back into a lift and coast mode. Later when he came back out on hards...after about 5 laps he went to STRAT 7 mode and later STRAT 11 which are modes that use more fuel(Hamilton's hammer time mode).
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