2025 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

[AR3-GP]

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It's been a while. Any insights to the problems that Ferrari had in Hungary?

[Andi76]

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It's been a while. Any insights to the problems that Ferrari had in Hungary?

Unfortunately, not really.

[Seanspeed]

So McLaren has already won 10 races this year which is the same amount of wins Ferrari collected from 2020 to 2024.
They will finish the year around 20 wins, probably. In order to arrive at 20 wins for Ferrari we need to go back to mid 2017.

These results highlight the difference between a Team that worked well with the goal of winning the world championship:
- Pushed for budget cap which allowed them to compete
- Invested huge amount of money in state of the start structures
- Hired top engineers and put great talents in leading positions

People thinking that Ferrari can produce a better car than McLaren are completely delusional.

I dont find stats like this all that useful. In season with 24 races per season, of course if you find yourself with the best car, you're going to rack up tons of wins in that given season that distort historic statistics.

Also, Ferrari very clearly work with the same goal as Mclaren. Many sports fans have this weird and mythological idea of 'competitors just wanted it more' which really isn't the case. Ferrari's issues this year are in fact quite specifically related to their desire to win the championship by making some bolder steps that would be needed to compete with Mclaren. It didn't work, but just sticking with last year's concept was clearly never going to be good enough. So they tried.

Mclaren simply have a better technical organization at the moment. There's nothing more complicated about it than that. It's an extremely hard thing to achieve, which is why even the previous superteam of Mercedes and the perennially topline Red Bull also cant match them.

I'm not massively optimistic for next year, but resets provide opportunity and unpredictability. Mercedes were major favorites for the 2022 rules reset and they ended up fumbling it quite badly and never really recovered even a couple seasons later.

Hope never dies.

[Sergej]

[deadhead]

Ok so they are just trying different methods to try and manage the problem.

This car is an absolute mess from a technical standpoint.

When was the last time they produced such a disaster? The illegal engine car? I’m not even sure if that was as bad as this.