Petition to FIA - 2026 rules canceled, V10s in 2028

[PlatinumZealot]

When you're dismissing that 86% of a 40,000 sample size of F1 fans said that they care about this stuff, you will clearly dismiss ANY data point ever as unrepresentative, simply out of convenience of argument.

This feels like plain denial of reality. Once again, it's reasonable to say that most F1 fans aren't gonna cry about the current noise of the cars, but it's not the same thing as saying that F1 fans dont care about it at all or at the very least wouldn't prefer better sounding F1 cars. I think it's basically common sense that most would. It seems so obvious that I even wonder if arguing otherwise is being done out of sheer contrarianism than anything else.

Why would I need to consider a statistic from an extremely biased sample? Based on what WardenOfTheNorth said (which you conveniently ignored), it's even more biased than I initially expected.
The fact is it bears no implication on F1 viewers as a whole. Pointing to meaningless statistics and air-pulled "common sense" and "obvious "only showcases your bias, nothing else.

Would a majority prefer V8/V10? We don't know and that's certain. I expect even if it's the case, the margin would be far more modest.

Is the sample extremely biased compared to what? What do you as an unbiased sample?

You would have to do another survey asking all fans say netfilx + website + forum + fans at the race + youtube + F1 TV if they care about the engine noise and the engine technology, then you filter those out and ask them the question on the engine.


With that said, I think the Fans who read "The race" would have a large overlap with the fans who care about the F1 engine sound and the type of engine.

[WardenOfTheNorth]

When you're dismissing that 86% of a 40,000 sample size of F1 fans said that they care about this stuff, you will clearly dismiss ANY data point ever as unrepresentative, simply out of convenience of argument.

This feels like plain denial of reality. Once again, it's reasonable to say that most F1 fans aren't gonna cry about the current noise of the cars, but it's not the same thing as saying that F1 fans dont care about it at all or at the very least wouldn't prefer better sounding F1 cars. I think it's basically common sense that most would. It seems so obvious that I even wonder if arguing otherwise is being done out of sheer contrarianism than anything else.

Why would I need to consider a statistic from an extremely biased sample? Based on what WardenOfTheNorth said (which you conveniently ignored), it's even more biased than I initially expected.
The fact is it bears no implication on F1 viewers as a whole. Pointing to meaningless statistics and air-pulled "common sense" and "obvious "only showcases your bias, nothing else.

Would a majority prefer V8/V10? We don't know and that's certain. I expect even if it's the case, the margin would be far more modest.

Is the sample extremely biased compared to what? What do you as an unbiased sample?

You would have to do another survey asking all fans say netfilx + website + forum + fans at the race + youtube + F1 TV if they care about the engine noise and the engine technology, then you filter those out and ask them the question on the engine.


With that said, I think the Fans who read "The race" would have a large overlap with the fans who care about the F1 engine sound and the type of engine.

What do you mean biased compared to what. Compared to an unbiased sample. In data collection you have bias. It is not compared to another thing. It simply is.

A survey conducted on a social media outlet other about F1 is always going to be biased because it requires that the respondent cares enough about F1 to have engaged with that social media channel, then they have to have a strong enough opinion to respond. It is an accepted norm in any kind of market research that you will get more responses from people with the strongest opinions, which are often not the status quo.

So this sample has inherent bias.

To get a less biased sample you would need to cover multiple channels, including the official F1 social media channels, major broadcasters and any other channels that might get results.

Global F1 viewership per race last year was estimated to be in the region of what, 80 million? The survey got 40,000 responses and so represents the views of less than 1% of viewers. Probably the most engaged viewers at that.

[WardenOfTheNorth]

Fans on the street, aka TV viewers, will never hear the engines anyway. So it's kind of not possible to care, even if you want to. How many fans are at the actual circuit? 1%?
There's no way to reproduce the sound of a F1 car on a TV, laptop or headset. The engine sound is barely audible on the broadcast. If I turn the volume to max, I think the rest of the family would kick me out.

If I want to hear cool sound, I'll go to a concert. Wich I recently did. AC/DC is loud! Ironically they start the concerts with a big fat engine sound

Did you know that concert venues now have noise limits. So even big loud rock concerts are not as loud as they once were and many, not all but many, rock bands are not actually using the loud amps on stage any more. Instead they are using digital profiling amps and in ear monitors to keep on stage volume down, with the PA doing most of the heavy lifting!!

AS for F1 PU sound on TV. I agree, it sounds nothing like what it does when you’re stood next to the actual car. Stood next to the actual car it has bass, a throaty mid-range and complex sounds - oh and is still plenty loud with most sources citing a volume between 110 to 120 dB - about the same volume as a rock concert as it happens. FOM needs to sort out the mic placement and sound mixing to deliver more of that sound in the broadcast IMHO!!

Just kill the mic placement conversation please. Shades of colloidal silver and astrology. Lol. Snake oil. Do you really believe that positioning the mic in a certain place will make a dramatic difference?

Not JUST placement, but it absolutely does.

Do you seriously believe that having changing mic placement, microphone type and microphone gain WON’T have an effect??

Just ask any sound engineer or recording engineer.

Mic placement is crucial. This is sound recording 101. Even changing the angle or distance from a sound source can have a drastic effect on the recorded sounds. The following are related to musical recordings, but what it true for one sound source is true for all.

https://www.shure.com/en-us/insights/th ... t-matters/
https://www.dpamicrophones.com/mic-univ ... are%20lost.
https://www.tonormic.com/blogs/micropho ... nt-matters
https://www.prosoundweb.com/location-lo ... l-quality/