

we could see many teams switch back to pull-rod in the rear, as shown in the image.
except Mr Millward seems to think the cars will still have tunnels ?De Wet wrote: ↑18 Aug 2025, 11:12https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXPZdvkKfbA
Nice Comparisons of Old vs New.
First sighting of horizontal bargeboard (FIA: "Floor Board") slats I've seen in the wild since I started suggesting them 7 weeks ago. https://www.f1technical.net/forum/viewt ... 1#p1293691 The FIA's renderings and the 3rd party depictions I've seen show vertical slats, although who knows what we'll see, could be diagonal or several other possibilities. Slight inaccuracy in the image--he has too many elements there. Maximum possible would be 3.SB15 wrote: ↑17 Aug 2025, 23:37https://f1ingenerale.com/wp-content/upl ... image.webp
https://f1ingenerale.com/wp-content/upl ... image.webp
we could see many teams switch back to pull-rod in the rear, as shown in the image.
Is that louvered bargeboard legal? I didn't see any that were separated horizontally before at all. Much less with that many openings.SB15 wrote: ↑17 Aug 2025, 23:37https://f1ingenerale.com/wp-content/upl ... image.webp
https://f1ingenerale.com/wp-content/upl ... image.webp
we could see many teams switch back to pull-rod in the rear, as shown in the image.
Is rake overrated? Mercedes was quite fast without it.
Could be if the larger diffuser (relative to '09-'21) nullifies its benefits, although most if not all of the cars used varying degrees of rake prior to '22 including the Mercs. It's free floor DF so I'm expecting it. The diffusers will be bigger but not that much bigger. If their effectiveness is maxed out a next step to consider is raking the car.
vorticism wrote: ↑18 Aug 2025, 21:34Could be if the larger diffuser (relative to '09-'21) nullifies its benefits, although most if not all of the cars used varying degrees of rake prior to '22 including the Mercs. It's free floor DF so I'm expecting it. The diffusers will be bigger but not that much bigger. If their effectiveness is maxed out a next step to consider is raking the car.
https://www.conceptcarz.com/images/Merc ... 5-1600.jpg
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At several points in that video it seems he's not on top of the latest revisions, the floor being the most obvious.Tommy Cookers wrote: ↑18 Aug 2025, 12:03except Mr Millward seems to think the cars will still have tunnels ?De Wet wrote: ↑18 Aug 2025, 11:12https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXPZdvkKfbA
Nice Comparisons of Old vs New.
So why if more rake = more downforce are teams not running high rake in the 22-25 regs?basti313 wrote: ↑19 Aug 2025, 09:40Well, they were two completely different solutions:
Red Bull maximized underfloor suction with a compact, short-wheelbase, high-rake car. Efficient, but instable.
Mercedes maximized overall downforce and stability with a long, low platform paired with superior power unit performance.
Mercedes dominance came from:
Incredible engine efficiency
Aero stability → tires always in window, confidence (Bottas and Perez falling apart the more the cars got raised)
So they didn’t need the extra peak downforce from rake, that the RedBull may have had. They could more easily add "dirty" downforce where needed.
I think this is a big difference in 2026: No one will be able to add "dirty downforce" by just having a bigger wing. Aero efficiency will be king. So my bet is, that the cars will not be super nice to drive and will have a peaky, raked floor.
Did you miss ground effect? Rake or ground clearance of any kind kills the venturi tunnel geometry.jjn9128 wrote: ↑19 Aug 2025, 11:29So why if more rake = more downforce are teams not running high rake in the 22-25 regs?basti313 wrote: ↑19 Aug 2025, 09:40Well, they were two completely different solutions:
Red Bull maximized underfloor suction with a compact, short-wheelbase, high-rake car. Efficient, but instable.
Mercedes maximized overall downforce and stability with a long, low platform paired with superior power unit performance.
Mercedes dominance came from:
Incredible engine efficiency
Aero stability → tires always in window, confidence (Bottas and Perez falling apart the more the cars got raised)
So they didn’t need the extra peak downforce from rake, that the RedBull may have had. They could more easily add "dirty" downforce where needed.
I think this is a big difference in 2026: No one will be able to add "dirty downforce" by just having a bigger wing. Aero efficiency will be king. So my bet is, that the cars will not be super nice to drive and will have a peaky, raked floor.
Right... and a diffuser isn't ground effect? How does it "kill" a tunnel underbody but not a flat underbody? What are the mechanism differences? You still create low pressure under the car, you still need to seal the floor edge ingress, you still need to prevent tyre wake coming into the floor. So what mechanisms are at play that you so confidently say "rake = more downforce" for a flat floor car?