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Completely different animal. Haas bought their PUs and as many parts they could from Ferrari. My understanding is Cadillac is building everything themselves. To boot, they got a late start on the PU, like Honda in 2014. 2014 McLaren/Honda would be a more apt comparison. Still, it will be a bigger challenge for Cadillac, since they don't have the facilities or established processes McLaren did. The only advantage they have over 2014 McLaren/Honda is they don't have the token system restricting what they can change, when they figure out where they've gone wrong.
I do not know how this should be possible. Both drivers in the end were toast and got humiliated once the car got more difficult to drive 2021. I do not know what one could compare, as their level of competitiveness was always defined by how easy the car is to drive.
Yes...this is something we should not forget: Haas always started with some ambition. Management of missing resources to the best results.
Could this be another Lotus/Caterham? How was Lotus's facilities when they started and how late they started?diffuser wrote:Completely different animal. Haas bought their PUs and as many parts they could from Ferrari. My understanding is Cadillac is building everything themselves. To boot, they got a late start on the PU, like Honda in 2014. 2014 McLaren/Honda would be a more apt comparison. Still, it will be a bigger challenge for Cadillac, since they don't have the facilities or established processes McLaren did. The only advantage they have over 2014 McLaren/Honda is they don't have the token system restricting what they can change, when they figure out where they've gone wrong.
Cadillac : the first team with 2 number 2 drivers
Cadillac success in the first 2 years is gonna be "NOT finishing last in every Qualifying and every race.". After that who knows, 3 years is too far out. If a team has excellent resources and facilities moving towards excellence, you'd normally start to see some success after that. It's always a 5 year plan but alot of teams get stuck in stage "year 3" forever. Only 2 teams ,RBR and Merc, have made that jump. The list of teams stuck in year 3 stage or below is very long. Haas being an example of a team that's been at stage "year 3" for a while but still don't have their own facilities....They're trying a different approach. The odds of Haas moving to stage "year 4 and 5" is very low.Jurgen von Diaz wrote: ↑27 Aug 2025, 11:59Could this be another Lotus/Caterham? How was Lotus's facilities when they started and how late they started?diffuser wrote:Completely different animal. Haas bought their PUs and as many parts they could from Ferrari. My understanding is Cadillac is building everything themselves. To boot, they got a late start on the PU, like Honda in 2014. 2014 McLaren/Honda would be a more apt comparison. Still, it will be a bigger challenge for Cadillac, since they don't have the facilities or established processes McLaren did. The only advantage they have over 2014 McLaren/Honda is they don't have the token system restricting what they can change, when they figure out where they've gone wrong.
Interesting. By the way, Merc and Red Bull did not start from scratch; they had Honda's and Jaguar's infrastructure. So, basically, Cadillac is going to build components with new employees, section why McLaren is dominating right now. It's gonna be tricky.diffuser wrote:Cadillac success in the first 2 years is gonna be "NOT finishing last in every Qualifying and every race.". After that who knows, 3 years is too far out. If a team has excellent resources and facilities moving towards excellence, you'd normally start to see some success after that. It's always a 5 year plan but alot of teams get stuck in year 3 forever. Only 2 teams ,RBR and Merc, have made that jump. The list of teams stuck in year 3 stage or below is very long. Haas being an example of a team that's been at stage "year 3" for a while but still don't have their own facilities.... The expectation of Haas moving to stage "year 4 and 5" is very low.Jurgen von Diaz wrote: ↑27 Aug 2025, 11:59Could this be another Lotus/Caterham? How was Lotus's facilities when they started and how late they started?diffuser wrote: Completely different animal. Haas bought their PUs and as many parts they could from Ferrari. My understanding is Cadillac is building everything themselves. To boot, they got a late start on the PU, like Honda in 2014. 2014 McLaren/Honda would be a more apt comparison. Still, it will be a bigger challenge for Cadillac, since they don't have the facilities or established processes McLaren did. The only advantage they have over 2014 McLaren/Honda is they don't have the token system restricting what they can change, when they figure out where they've gone wrong.
Yep but the real question is, do they have a Wolfe, Ross Brawn or a Newey in thier midsts?Jurgen von Diaz wrote: ↑27 Aug 2025, 15:56Interesting. By the way, Merc and Red Bull did not start from scratch; they had Honda's and Jaguar's infrastructure. So, basically, Cadillac is going to build components with new employees, section why McLaren is dominating right now. It's gonna be tricky.diffuser wrote:Cadillac success in the first 2 years is gonna be "NOT finishing last in every Qualifying and every race.". After that who knows, 3 years is too far out. If a team has excellent resources and facilities moving towards excellence, you'd normally start to see some success after that. It's always a 5 year plan but alot of teams get stuck in year 3 forever. Only 2 teams ,RBR and Merc, have made that jump. The list of teams stuck in year 3 stage or below is very long. Haas being an example of a team that's been at stage "year 3" for a while but still don't have their own facilities.... The expectation of Haas moving to stage "year 4 and 5" is very low.Jurgen von Diaz wrote: ↑27 Aug 2025, 11:59Could this be another Lotus/Caterham? How was Lotus's facilities when they started and how late they started?
No, they have the old Mannor gang. And "old" is the topic, I guess their average age in C level is close to 70.
I bet it is. Just do the math:Jurgen von Diaz wrote: ↑27 Aug 2025, 11:59Could this be another Lotus/Caterham? How was Lotus's facilities when they started and how late they started?
Is there anything more known to this? They get the engine and gearbox from Ferrari, I think it would not be surprising if the whole rear end comes from Ferrari just like for Haas.diffuser wrote: Completely different animal. Haas bought their PUs and as many parts they could from Ferrari. My understanding is Cadillac is building everything themselves. To boot, they got a late start on the PU, like Honda in 2014.
I dont think Ferrari care one toss about getting Zhou an F1 seat. He's not that kind of 'Ferrari driver'.gastonmazzacane wrote: ↑25 Aug 2025, 15:49Because he is a Ferrari driver. They'll have Ferrari engines.kptaylor wrote: ↑18 Aug 2025, 09:07But why Zhou in the first place? Mediocre career, no real flash of potential. I'd focus on better veterans (Bottas, Perez) and possibly promising rookies. However, if they know they going to struggle, I'd personally focus on veterans who are known to provide quality feedback and can help the engineering team improve the car.
Same thing with Yuki.