2025 Dutch Grand Prix - Zandvoort, Aug 29 - 31

[AR3-GP]

He never was off track, his right tyres was on the white line.

He was off track. That lap was deleted for track limits at turn 12.

[AR3-GP]

Personally I thought it was great racing, and very opportunistic by Charles when Russell had a poor restart. I don't care about the track limits. It was close enough and there is gravel there. Those who want penalties to either driver simply want to kill racing because the driver that they do not like has benefited or the driver that they like has been disadvantaged. Unfortunately that is how most discussions go on this forum lately. Verstappen would certainly have been lynched on here for doing what Leclerc did. They would say Verstappen never intended to make the corner.

[michl420]

I also think it was a great overtake. But technically LEC clearly was off track, an it is the same as someone is pushed outside off the track and overtake despite it. We have seen frequenty penaltys for that (NOR-VES texas 2024). On the other side RUS have pushed LEC off the track. I don´t know how the writen rules handle this situation right.

[mzso]

Whichever way they cut it, even after considering the 'extra width' the rear tyres have over the fronts, LeClerc was clearly off track limits in the inside of T12. Such was the amount of 'how much inside the whilte lines' he was. I don't know what 'lack of conclusive evidence' they are talking about - the TV replays showed it clearly. Not only did LeCLerc overtake off the track, he understeered into Russel and caused a collision. I don't understand why it isn't a penalty for LeClerc. Similarly senseless was the case with Sainz-Lawson collision. Penalty went to the wrong guy.

You mean Russel forced him off the track and in the process damaged both of their cars. Why isn't it a penalty for Russel? If you're forced off track you don't usually get a punishment.
The Sains/Lawson thing was clear-cut. It's the driving rules they came up with for this year that are horrible.

[mzso]

Was it revealed what caused the Norris retirement, yet?

[maxxer]

Personally I thought it was great racing, and very opportunistic by Charles when Russell had a poor restart. I don't care about the track limits. It was close enough and there is gravel there. Those who want penalties to either driver simply want to kill racing because the driver that they do not like has benefited or the driver that they like has been disadvantaged. Unfortunately that is how most discussions go on this forum lately. Verstappen would certainly have been lynched on here for doing what Leclerc did. They would say Verstappen never intended to make the corner.

Totally agree , in the document shows both drivers thought it was a racing incident.
I can imagine after a race their mind is already on the next race and they dont want to go to the fia for some lecturing.
At least Antonelli showed its a track with no places to overtake without risking it

[venkyhere]

Whichever way they cut it, even after considering the 'extra width' the rear tyres have over the fronts, LeClerc was clearly off track limits in the inside of T12. Such was the amount of 'how much inside the whilte lines' he was. I don't know what 'lack of conclusive evidence' they are talking about - the TV replays showed it clearly. Not only did LeCLerc overtake off the track, he understeered into Russel and caused a collision. I don't understand why it isn't a penalty for LeClerc. Similarly senseless was the case with Sainz-Lawson collision. Penalty went to the wrong guy.

You mean Russel forced him off the track and in the process damaged both of their cars. Why isn't it a penalty for Russel? If you're forced off track you don't usually get a punishment.
The Sains/Lawson thing was clear-cut. It's the driving rules they came up with for this year that are horrible.

No.
I mean that Russel was in front and LeClerc forced himself into the inside from behind, akin to squeezing a bus into a cycle alley. Russel was merely following the racing line. It was purely an anger move by LeClerc, off track limits, and hence I can't digest that it's been deemed a 'racing incident' by the stewards. And this is from a guy who doesn't particularly like Russel and thinks he is a political snake.

[Vanja #66]

Inconsistent Stewarding strikes again

[F1NAC]

I also think it was a great overtake. But technically LEC clearly was off track, an it is the same as someone is pushed outside off the track and overtake despite it. We have seen frequenty penaltys for that (NOR-VES texas 2024). On the other side RUS have pushed LEC off the track. I don´t know how the writen rules handle this situation right.

Can you point me out where it was clearly that LEC left the track with all 4 wheels?

[basti313]

But technically LEC clearly was off track

No. They first judged him to be off. But in the review and after race review it was not provable. The rear wheel might have been on track all the time.

[michl420]

But technically LEC clearly was off track

No. They first judged him to be off. But in the review and after race review it was not provable. The rear wheel might have been on track all the time.

When in a 100 kmh left turn the right front tire is 30 cm+ inside the white line, I don`t need to see the rear tire to know that it is also on the inside of this line. There is maybe no footage, but for me it its logical.

[AR3-GP]

I also think it was a great overtake. But technically LEC clearly was off track, an it is the same as someone is pushed outside off the track and overtake despite it. We have seen frequenty penaltys for that (NOR-VES texas 2024). On the other side RUS have pushed LEC off the track. I don´t know how the writen rules handle this situation right.

Can you point me out where it was clearly that LEC left the track with all 4 wheels?

He never was off track, his right tyres was on the white line.

He was off track. That lap was deleted for track limits at turn 12.