2025 Oracle Red Bull Racing F1 Team

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Xyz22 wrote:
05 Sep 2025, 18:27
AR3-GP wrote:
05 Sep 2025, 18:24
euv2 wrote:
05 Sep 2025, 18:11
Not looking bad at all, no major problems in any corners so far. Race pace is almost same as Norris and faster than PIA and FER (on hards). Podium is definitely on the cards, we'll see tomorrow how much the new engine and qualy mode makes up for the current soft tyre pace deficit.
Xyz22 wrote:
05 Sep 2025, 18:18
If Max is ahead of Norris in quali or after the first lap, it's going to be a very easy win.

Stop the nonsense. Piastri missed FP1. Mclaren is fastest and it's not close.
I never said RB is faster than McLaren. I said that for whatever reasons, Max is ahead of Norris after lap 1 he is not going to be passed on track. Can absolutely bring the win home, especially against Norris or Piastri.
I was too conservative. The car was insanely fast this weekend, and of course Max tax.

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venkyhere wrote:
07 Sep 2025, 17:34
Thank god he gave the place back in lap2 itself (it was a bit notty from Norris on Lap1turn1, letting the brakes go and force Max off track, but it's not a crime) and won it back on pure merit.
The medium stint knocked the stuffing out of the McLarens.
The hard stint was even better, matching the pace of the Mclarens on softs.
As I posted in my analysis (a few hrs before the race start) with the lap plots, somehow, pitlane DIY to remove flap area on the already lowDF rear wing has helped improve pace in all the four key corners - that is proof that the new floor is working superbly. They tried this DIY job last year and failed miserably, most probably because the floor wasn't good enough.

This gives me hope for tracks like Baku and Vegas. Another thing I noticed is the traction on the exit from the first two chicanes (T1-2 and T4-5) - it seemed better than the McLarens.
It felt like the old spec of the RB21 had too much rear downforce, which made it harder to balance the car in corners, always leading to understeer or instability, maybe they tried to bring the Cp a bit more forward.

Max this weekend never really complained too much about cornering performance besides in FP2 where he said he needed better entry into parabolica I think. But they were experimenting with setups and probably fixed the small problems.

Max was quicker in the beginning of the medium stint by like 0.4s, by mid of the stint the gap narrowed to about 0.1s and by the end of the M stint (last 6-8 laps) the MCL was lapping about 0.2-3s faster. Max was about even in the 1st sector, about 0.1s off in the 2nd sector and around 0.2-0.3 faster in the final sector. Which I found a bit surprising, I thought the straights in sector 1 would have helped Max a bit more, with sector 3 being more even.

I'm not quite sure about Baku yet, there's a possibility of being strong because I don't think the long straight suits the MCL, so they will have compromises to make. But hopefully this new spec brings Max into contention for wins at least another 4 races, for a more exciting end to season.

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Ashwinv16 wrote:
02 Sep 2025, 22:06
I think Monza could be Tsunoda best chance. It might be bad on traction but in Low Df it's faster in high speed corners than any car out there. Which means insane top speeds out of parabolica. I wouldn't be surprised if Max wins by 20 seconds and if the car was like 5-10kph faster than everyone.
Nailed it =D>

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Rikhart wrote:
07 Sep 2025, 19:39
Ashwinv16 wrote:
02 Sep 2025, 22:06
I think Monza could be Tsunoda best chance. It might be bad on traction but in Low Df it's faster in high speed corners than any car out there. Which means insane top speeds out of parabolica. I wouldn't be surprised if Max wins by 20 seconds and if the car was like 5-10kph faster than everyone.
Nailed it =D>
I was supporting Tsunoda at the start but he needs to go as well. He should have finished ahead of noth Ferraris.
Halo not as bad as we thought

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venkyhere wrote:
07 Sep 2025, 17:34

The medium stint knocked the stuffing out of the McLarens.
You have a way with words that's quite pleasing. :lol:
It doesn't turn.

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Ashwinv16 wrote:
07 Sep 2025, 20:19
Rikhart wrote:
07 Sep 2025, 19:39
Ashwinv16 wrote:
02 Sep 2025, 22:06
I think Monza could be Tsunoda best chance. It might be bad on traction but in Low Df it's faster in high speed corners than any car out there. Which means insane top speeds out of parabolica. I wouldn't be surprised if Max wins by 20 seconds and if the car was like 5-10kph faster than everyone.
Nailed it =D>
I was supporting Tsunoda at the start but he needs to go as well. He should have finished ahead of noth Ferraris.
I'm in the same boat, in terms of letting him go. I'm happy he got the opportunity and he deserved the chance. But he hasn't had a single great weekend so far.

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I just noticed on the race highlights video, Verstappen was about to lap Tsunoda when he finished the race...

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Verstappen is arguably the fastest F1 driver in history thanks to this race.

Well deserved win for both driver and team.

Monza has often been one of those tracks where the otherwise dominant team doesn't do so well and another team has the edge. So will be very interesting to see how the rest of the season pans out.

Could make life more interesting for the McLaren duo if Max is now regularly fighting for the win again!!
"From success, you learn absolutely nothing. From failure and setbacks, conclusions can be drawn." - Niki Lauda

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It doesn't turn.

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First victory with Mekies. So far so good.

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Ashwinv16 wrote:
07 Sep 2025, 20:19
Rikhart wrote:
07 Sep 2025, 19:39
Ashwinv16 wrote:
02 Sep 2025, 22:06
I think Monza could be Tsunoda best chance. It might be bad on traction but in Low Df it's faster in high speed corners than any car out there. Which means insane top speeds out of parabolica. I wouldn't be surprised if Max wins by 20 seconds and if the car was like 5-10kph faster than everyone.
Nailed it =D>
I was supporting Tsunoda at the start but he needs to go as well. He should have finished ahead of noth Ferraris.
Apparently Tsunoda had a lot of damage from Lawson
Halo not as bad as we thought

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Ashwinv16 wrote:
08 Sep 2025, 08:15
Ashwinv16 wrote:
07 Sep 2025, 20:19
Rikhart wrote:
07 Sep 2025, 19:39


Nailed it =D>
I was supporting Tsunoda at the start but he needs to go as well. He should have finished ahead of noth Ferraris.
Apparently Tsunoda had a lot of damage from Lawson
Q is, why was Tsunoda anywhere near Lawson ? Lawson started on S and made an extra pitstop at the start itself. So unless Tsunoda was painfully slow, how would Lawson catchup with him ? People were passing Tsunoda left right and center, from what I could see on TV. He talks the big talk, but doesn't walk the big walk.

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Ashwinv16 wrote:
08 Sep 2025, 08:15
Ashwinv16 wrote:
07 Sep 2025, 20:19
I was supporting Tsunoda at the start but he needs to go as well. He should have finished ahead of noth Ferraris.
Apparently Tsunoda had a lot of damage from Lawson
Did not play any role: Already by lap 6 he was out of DRS and carried this issue into the pitstops. In the end, the main damage of his race was the undercut by Bea. This was only possible, because Yuki did not have the pace to close the gap to Alo. So it was a pure pace issue from the beginning of the race.
That was a very, very bad race unfortunately.
Don`t russel the hamster!

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In Baku, if Red Bull uses the same rear wing the car could be a rocketship on the 2,2 km long straight. But of course they have to keep the perfomance in the low-speed corners.

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Vettel165 wrote:
08 Sep 2025, 13:14
In Baku, if Red Bull uses the same rear wing the car could be a rocketship on the 2,2 km long straight. But of course they have to keep the perfomance in the low-speed corners.
There will be subtle differences w.r.t the setup between Monza (bespoke track) and Baku (street) - mainly ride height and wheel camber, in addition to the 'grain of tarmac'. So things like graining, reduction in peak DF, etc, are on the cards. That said, the 'base car' with the new floor is a ray of hope, and we can be reasonably sure it won't be the disaster that RB20 was on such lowDF tracks last year.