2025 Oracle Red Bull Racing F1 Team

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FNTC wrote:
20 Sep 2025, 16:01
Max is just on another level... Almost half a second ahead with a slightly damp track.
And he was 1 second faster than Tsunoda with same car.

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pantherxxx wrote:
20 Sep 2025, 16:29
FNTC wrote:
20 Sep 2025, 16:01
Max is just on another level... Almost half a second ahead with a slightly damp track.
And he was 1 second faster than Tsunoda with same car.
Yeah Mekkies made sure Tsunoda had the same equipment. Anyway the weather and car are designed for Max, so still not fair.

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pantherxxx wrote:
20 Sep 2025, 16:29
FNTC wrote:
20 Sep 2025, 16:01
Max is just on another level... Almost half a second ahead with a slightly damp track.
And he was 1 second faster than Tsunoda with same car.
Impressive. Also I quite like Laurent Mekies, the team is again going into the right direction. For me its a shame that the new rules come in 2026. That Ford engine could be quite inferior in first year, comparing to Mercedes, Ferrari. But maybe things will not be that bad... Will see. :?:

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Vettel165 wrote:
20 Sep 2025, 16:36
pantherxxx wrote:
20 Sep 2025, 16:29
FNTC wrote:
20 Sep 2025, 16:01
Max is just on another level... Almost half a second ahead with a slightly damp track.
And he was 1 second faster than Tsunoda with same car.
Impressive. Also I quite like Laurent Mekies, the team is again going into the right direction. For me its a shame that the new rules come in 2026. That Ford engine could be quite inferior in first year, comparing to Mercedes, Ferrari. But maybe things will not be that bad... Will see. :?:
Ford is helping with the MGU-K mainly, and they invested billions of dollars into high performance EV projects, before even partnering with Red Bull. Look how Ford smashed the lap records with their fully electric Supervan 4.2 in tracks like Nordschleife and Bathurst. Actually Ford's expertise in battery cell technology and PU software will be crucial for Red Bull Powertrains.

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1 second in front of Tsunoda with the same floor. 1 second in front of George Russell. 1 second in front of Lando Norris. Piastri in the wall. Leclerc in the wall. Hamilton out in Q2. Today the talk cannot be about the car. Do you think RBR is 1 second faster than Mercedes, Mclaren, and Ferrari? Do you think Max was driving a different track without walls? Of course not. Today people could see the full "Max effect" on display now that he got a car that was finally just competitive (but not better). Max made up the rest of the difference.

I've said things before but today I'm really lost for words, still. A generational performance from a generational driver. One to reminisce upon forever. He won't win the championship, but this season is just reinforcing the legend of Max Verstappen.

Every team would drop 1 or both of their drivers and give up their arms and legs to have him. Toto Wolff is the only one who isn't afraid to say it out loud.
It doesn't turn.

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AR3-GP wrote:
20 Sep 2025, 17:14
1 second in front of Tsunoda with the same floor. 1 second in front of George Russell. 1 second in front of Lando Norris. Piastri in the wall. Leclerc in the wall. Hamilton out in Q2. Today the talk cannot be about the car. Do you think RBR is 1 second faster than Mercedes, Mclaren, and Ferrari? Do you think Max was driving a different track without walls? Of course not. Today people could see the full "Max effect" on display now that he got a car that was finally just competitive (but not better). Max made up the rest of the difference.

I've said things before but today I'm really lost for words, still. A generational performance from a generational driver. One to reminisce upon forever. He won't win the championship, but this season is just reinforcing the legend of Max Verstappen.

Every team would drop 1 or both of their drivers and give up their arms and legs to have him. Toto Wolff is the only one who isn't afraid to say it out loud.
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AR3-GP wrote:
20 Sep 2025, 17:14
1 second in front of Tsunoda with the same floor. 1 second in front of George Russell. 1 second in front of Lando Norris. Piastri in the wall. Leclerc in the wall. Hamilton out in Q2. Today the talk cannot be about the car. Do you think RBR is 1 second faster than Mercedes, Mclaren, and Ferrari? Do you think Max was driving a different track without walls? Of course not. Today people could see the full "Max effect" on display now that he got a car that was finally just competitive (but not better). Max made up the rest of the difference.

I've said things before but today I'm really lost for words, still. A generational performance from a generational driver. One to reminisce upon forever. He won't win the championship, but this season is just reinforcing the legend of Max Verstappen.

Every team would drop 1 or both of their drivers and give up their arms and legs to have him. Toto Wolff is the only one who isn't afraid to say it out loud.
You said it, mate. Couldn't have put it better. Bettering Q2 (dry track) M laptime (which would still have been good for pole), with a Q3 (slippery/greasy track) S laptime, speaks volumes about the adaptability/feel of the driver. No one else did this. You forgot one important point, though ; and let me add the same :


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AR3-GP wrote:
20 Sep 2025, 17:14
1 second in front of Tsunoda with the same floor. 1 second in front of George Russell. 1 second in front of Lando Norris. Piastri in the wall. Leclerc in the wall. Hamilton out in Q2. Today the talk cannot be about the car. Do you think RBR is 1 second faster than Mercedes, Mclaren, and Ferrari? Do you think Max was driving a different track without walls? Of course not. Today people could see the full "Max effect" on display now that he got a car that was finally just competitive (but not better). Max made up the rest of the difference.

I've said things before but today I'm really lost for words, still. A generational performance from a generational driver. One to reminisce upon forever. He won't win the championship, but this season is just reinforcing the legend of Max Verstappen.

Every team would drop 1 or both of their drivers and give up their arms and legs to have him. Toto Wolff is the only one who isn't afraid to say it out loud.
I am far from a Max fan, but I absolutely agree. He is amongst the greats. My issues with him are when he bends/breaks the rules and does things that he really doesn’t need to do.

He absolutely showed his talent today.
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What a lap.



Interesting.

"Plus, radio messages McLaren has overheard point to Red Bull having found increased downforce because its car is now running lower to the ground."

"They have taken a new floor in Monza, and they might be setting up their car slightly differently.
Now Verstappen is talking about grounding much more than he was doing before, so they might have unlocked performance."

https://www.the-race.com/formula-1/why- ... -comeback/

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Watching Max's pole lap, I heard the floor bottoming quite a lot on the long straight, hope it will be all ok tomorrow with plank wear.

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AR3-GP wrote:
20 Sep 2025, 17:14
1 second in front of Tsunoda with the same floor. 1 second in front of George Russell. 1 second in front of Lando Norris. Piastri in the wall. Leclerc in the wall. Hamilton out in Q2. Today the talk cannot be about the car. Do you think RBR is 1 second faster than Mercedes, Mclaren, and Ferrari? Do you think Max was driving a different track without walls? Of course not. Today people could see the full "Max effect" on display now that he got a car that was finally just competitive (but not better). Max made up the rest of the difference.

I've said things before but today I'm really lost for words, still. A generational performance from a generational driver. One to reminisce upon forever. He won't win the championship, but this season is just reinforcing the legend of Max Verstappen.

Every team would drop 1 or both of their drivers and give up their arms and legs to have him. Toto Wolff is the only one who isn't afraid to say it out loud.
It has never been about the car when it came to Max. It was always about their favorite driver just not being as good as him over a season. And that leads to frustration, hate and natural fandom reaction. Sometimes it's also about Max schooling entire teams so the effect gets compounded.

Verstappen is as close as it gets to a perfect driver. Sure he does have his weak tracks like Baku. But even on a track like Baku he is always thereabouts and snatched pole when every other driver got their lack of skill exposed massively.

In the end we should also be honest with a few things about Max though. His feel, his preparation and his consistency is something no "normal" fast driver will ever replicate. Normal fast drivers may stat-pad more titles than Max but they will lose to Max 9 out of 10 times in a title fight. I don't think there's a talent out there that will beat Max over a season unless of course Max drops off from his level. This will indeed happen in a few years from now as no one escapes father time.

Max will beat all his teammates. You will have the same naysayers going on about how the team FoCuSeS on Max and how his teammates SuCk because it's all a grand conspiracy. Every decently rated driver looks absolutely dogshit next to Max and all "fast" drivers avoid him like plague.

But it's a car competition as well. Max still needs a good car to deliver. But for the talent he is, he always makes the difference if the car is thereabouts most of the time. This is a trait that no fast drivers has, at least not anywhere near the ability of Max. Leclerc may do it a few times a year but that's about it. They all need more from the car to have a similar run of results, if Max is out of the picture.
Call a spade, a spade.

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Sergej wrote:
20 Sep 2025, 21:34
Watching Max's pole lap, I heard the floor bottoming quite a lot on the long straight, hope it will be all ok tomorrow with plank wear.
The McLaren car also runs very low. I think people pointed this out maybe even AR3 did.

That's good news overall. I think Red Bull are much more careful with these things so nothing to worry. Red Bull has no reason to be desperate.
Call a spade, a spade.

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Sorry if I’m late to the party with this one.

My take away from this article is that Verstappen will leave F1 if his car isn’t good enough next season… seems a bit drastic don’t you think?

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/what- ... /10760839/
Just a fan's point of view

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How on earth did he do that on a slippery track. It seems impossible.

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CjC wrote:
20 Sep 2025, 22:29
Sorry if I’m late to the party with this one.

My take away from this article is that Verstappen will leave F1 if his car isn’t good enough next season… seems a bit drastic don’t you think?

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/what- ... /10760839/
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Where do you read Max will leave F1?! Vermeulen was talking about RBR, not F1!

"So I think 2026 will be a very important year, one that will determine where his future lies in Formula 1."

His future in F1 at RBR or another team.
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