Horner - A 12th Team?

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It is clear that there are big opportunities for Horner among the current grid, but it is understood that a more leftfield idea is also being evaluated: setting up a team from scratch.

With suggestions of potential investors behind him and ready to support any team buy-in, why not go full in and build up something from scratch together?

F1’s governance agreements allows for up to 12 teams on the grid, which means there is, in theory, currently one vacant slot with Cadillac joining the field in 2026 as the 11th outfit.

To take it, Horner would need to pull together a pool of investors to help fund it - with the costs likely to be in the hundreds of millions of dollars. And an entry would be unlikely before 2028, even if things advanced quickly.

While this would be the most expensive route for Horner to take, it is equally one that would make a lot of financial sense.

With current team valuations being well north of $1billion, spending around half of that to get a team up and running would appear to be good value.

Horner was very commercially savvy as a team boss and having pooled together major corporations to back Red Bull, he may well have the necessary contacts needed to find partners willing to support the project to the extent it needs.

Sources have suggested that preliminary discussions on this front have already taken place.

But finding the necessary backers and putting the financial package together is one thing; it could be another when it comes to getting the entry across the line - as the Andretti operation originally behind the now Cadillac-fronted project found.

Despite having the money to enter F1, and even with the FIA's technical approval, its original effort was rejected by Formula One Management (FOM) because it was felt that Andretti did not bring added value to grand prix racing.

It was only when the plans evolved for a full-on, GM-backed Cadillac operation that F1 finally gave the team its seal of approval.

If Horner went ahead with the idea of a 12th team, he would need to ensure that any proposal he had would win over the support of rival teams, the FIA and FOM.

This could involve the support of a manufacturer, a game-changing sponsor or backer, or another key element that stakeholders in F1 feel would be difficult to reject.

For now, though, nothing is decided in Horner's head beyond his belief that he has unfinished business in F1.

Is it possible for Horner to enter a new team but not compete for the price money? F1 has a cost cap of about $225 million which in the current landscape can be raised through technical partnerships and sponsors. Jumping the hoops like Andretti did was totally unnecessary.

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What manufacturer do you think would bite? Porsche seems done, maybe KIA/Hyundai?

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kptaylor wrote:
02 Oct 2025, 08:35
What manufacturer do you think would bite? Porsche seems done, maybe KIA/Hyundai?
He could partner with his old buddy Cyril Abiteboul :lol:
Honda!

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Honestly, I’m not sure which manufacturer would commit right now, maybe it depends more on Horner’s network and ability to package the project attractively to FOM and investors.

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That's why the Haas interest stories are interesting. If he has Toyota connections, a buyout from Gene and a pivot to Toyota, funded by Toyota, could make sense.

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Toyota is a serious brand and will never want people like Horner and his politics.

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https://www.motorsportweek.com/2026/05/ ... us-f1-bid/

Horner has reportedly has had several meetings with BYD Vice President, Stella Li.
Image

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FW17 wrote:
20 May 2026, 14:43
https://www.motorsportweek.com/2026/05/ ... us-f1-bid/

Horner has reportedly has had several meetings with BYD Vice President, Stella Li.
https://www.paddocknews24.com/en/wp-con ... -wang.webp

With V8's in 2031... :lol: :lol:

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BYD being associated with an ICE series is unimaginable.

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tok-tokkie wrote:
20 May 2026, 18:29
BYD being associated with an ICE series is unimaginable.
Why not? They are marketing hybrid cars in Europe. I see a lot of BYD EVs every day now.

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F1 along with the ICE engine is also about R&D, something they are quiet good at.

If anyone is using ICE with more than 40% on the road today, I am sure it will be a Chinese ERev.

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Dear Horner

Pls unveil a European Formula Series (EFS), a radical new championship born from frustration with Liberty Media’s commercial grip and the FIA’s endless meddling.

The Machinery
Base Chassis: Inspired by Japan’s Super Formula — lightweight, razor‑sharp, pure driver’s car.
Engines: A wild mix of powerplants:
Honda and Toyota supplying cutting‑edge V6s.
Nissan yanking their GT500 engine.
Audi, Aston Martin and BMW reviving old DTM monsters.

Philosophy: No hybrids, no gimmicks, just raw combustion fury.

The Drivers’ Exodus
Max Verstappen: “I’m done with circus cars. I want racing, not politics.”
Charles Leclerc: “Europe is racing’s soul. This series gives it back.”
Lando Norris: “Finally, a championship where we drive, committee telling us how.”
Oscar Piastri: “This is the future — pure speed, pure competition.”
Carlos Sainz: “Fans deserve passion, not politics.”


The Calendar
Circuits: Spa, Monza, Magny Cours, Silverstone, Nürburgring, Mugello, Hockenheim, Zandvoort, Portimo, Hungaroring, Nurburgring, lemans Bugatti, Barcelona, Donington, Red Bull Ring, Brno, Poznan
Format: Compact European season — no globe‑trotting, no jet‑lag marathons.
Fans call it: “The Anti‑F1 Tour.”

Finally Joe Saward can sell GP1
Channel 4 has signed on as the exclusive media partner, promising wall‑to‑wall coverage with a fan‑first approach. David Coulthard who will lead the broadcast promised to broadcast every race live, with behind‑the‑scenes access and fan‑driven storytelling.

Horner:
“We’re breaking free. No Liberty Media, no FIA meddling, no punishing calendars. Just Europe, engines, and drivers who want to fight.”

Ross Brawn added:
“This is racing stripped to its essence — engineering brilliance and driver skill.”

Ron Dennis concluded:
“We’re restoring motorsport’s integrity. Fans will feel the difference from day one.”

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Great!
One thing to add:
All teams have a fixed max. budget and can spend the money on whatever they want with tech and sporting regulations of max 20 pages each.

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FW17 wrote:
27 May 2026, 04:24
Engines: A wild mix of powerplants:

Philosophy: No hybrids,
That's not a wild mix. That's a limited mix. Why not just use what's best? Regardless of tech.

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=D> =D> =D> =D>

ICE ONLY