General Honda F1 Topic

[Waz]

The difference between the team and Honda is that Honda disbanded the F1 department by moving the engineers to different areas and left them their.

Then rebuilt the department with new, inexperienced engineers. The same mistake as 10 years ago.

It also seems like those engineers didn't get the design notes on the previous V6 either, having made the same mistakes.

You can't make this up.

Aston Martin and Red Bull are suffering a leadership vacuum, in that too many changes at the top have brought confusion to work processes.

[ispano6]

Can't make this sh*t up:

Should only believe what Asaki-san says, not what haters rant about. The finger pointers are the most toxic.
https://sportiva.shueisha.co.jp/clm/mot ... 30/f1pu_2/

In March 2024, I published my first book, "The Power to Overcome Crises," in which I wrote the following

With the new regulations starting in 2026, electric power will be expanded and motors will become more important, but I think the key to motors will be how they are mounted rather than their performance. Under the new regulations, motors will be mounted to the chassis rather than to the engine."

　This causes the car body to experience the motor's driving reaction force, resulting in distortion. This leads to twisting and resonance in the car body, making it technically challenging to ensure durability. Engine manufacturers and car body manufacturers must work together to solve this problem.

　It's not just that one issue; I think there will be many challenges that the engine and chassis engineers will have to solve together. That's why, before I retired, I kept telling my juniors to quickly form a team with Aston Martin and Honda and get involved in discussions about how to solve those problems..."

The key to this season's regulations is how to mount the power unit, including the MGU-K (kinetic energy recovery system), into the car body and how to withstand vibrations and driving forces. Mercedes and Ferrari, the works teams, have a good understanding of this and have taken appropriate measures.

　However, Aston Martin Honda ultimately failed to succeed. But in my opinion, the people at Honda were aware of the problem beforehand. I repeatedly told my juniors about it before I retired, and it was obvious to see that there was vibration strong enough to damage the battery.

　Many of Honda's staff have experience with mass-produced vehicles, so they should know what causes vibrations and what actions are dangerous.

　However, I can only think of two possibilities: either Aston Martin didn't listen to the Honda development team's opinion that "things can't continue like this," or the development team's opinions weren't properly communicated to the leaders within Honda.

[PlatinumZealot]

Can't make this sh*t up:

Should only believe what Asaki-san says, not what haters rant about. The finger pointers are the most toxic.
https://sportiva.shueisha.co.jp/clm/mot ... 30/f1pu_2/

In March 2024, I published my first book, "The Power to Overcome Crises," in which I wrote the following

With the new regulations starting in 2026, electric power will be expanded and motors will become more important, but I think the key to motors will be how they are mounted rather than their performance. Under the new regulations, motors will be mounted to the chassis rather than to the engine."

　This causes the car body to experience the motor's driving reaction force, resulting in distortion. This leads to twisting and resonance in the car body, making it technically challenging to ensure durability. Engine manufacturers and car body manufacturers must work together to solve this problem.

　It's not just that one issue; I think there will be many challenges that the engine and chassis engineers will have to solve together. That's why, before I retired, I kept telling my juniors to quickly form a team with Aston Martin and Honda and get involved in discussions about how to solve those problems..."

The key to this season's regulations is how to mount the power unit, including the MGU-K (kinetic energy recovery system), into the car body and how to withstand vibrations and driving forces. Mercedes and Ferrari, the works teams, have a good understanding of this and have taken appropriate measures.

　However, Aston Martin Honda ultimately failed to succeed. But in my opinion, the people at Honda were aware of the problem beforehand. I repeatedly told my juniors about it before I retired, and it was obvious to see that there was vibration strong enough to damage the battery.

　Many of Honda's staff have experience with mass-produced vehicles, so they should know what causes vibrations and what actions are dangerous.

　However, I can only think of two possibilities: either Aston Martin didn't listen to the Honda development team's opinion that "things can't continue like this," or the development team's opinions weren't properly communicated to the leaders within Honda.

Confirms my original assessment that the vibrations were coming from the electric motor.

[PlatinumZealot]

Good that Honda decided to take an whole entire chassis to Japan to try the solutions on it. It's really the best way to do things, having the full work peice on your work bench to test and tweak at your own pace.

[etusch]

Good that Honda decided to take an whole entire chassis to Japan to try the solutions on it. It's really the best way to do things, having the full work peice on your work bench to test and tweak at your own pace.

And perhaps more importantly, the source of the vibration and how to prevent it has been identified. Now, whether it has dropped to a normal level or a reasonable level, everyone knows what needs to be done. No one will blame anyone else (if such a thing ever happened). If the problem was the electric motor and its components, and it has been resolved, then a more reasonable electrical recovery can now be expected.

[PlatinumZealot]

Good that Honda decided to take an whole entire chassis to Japan to try the solutions on it. It's really the best way to do things, having the full work peice on your work bench to test and tweak at your own pace.

And perhaps more importantly, the source of the vibration and how to prevent it has been identified. Now, whether it has dropped to a normal level or a reasonable level, everyone knows what needs to be done. No one will blame anyone else (if such a thing ever happened). If the problem was the electric motor and its components, and it has been resolved, then a more reasonable electrical recovery can now be expected.

Yes it was observed to be gone by viewers and confirmed eliminated by Alonso and Mike Krack. Honda's fix worked.

The next critical issue is now the Aston Martin gearbox.