Possible solutions to improve the 2026 Engine Regulations

[PlatinumZealot]

The rear brakes will give slightly more energy to the MGUK as it does now. More top speed to brake because less superclipping and more fuel energy to the engine.

The rear brakes and MGUK should be fine. I agree with the proposed energy split for 2027.

[carisi2k]

Let the teams have 8MJ of battery to take advantage of the 350kw recovery. Just let them put a second battery in so that it can be implemented sooner.

[De Wet]

Let the teams have 8MJ of battery to take advantage of the 350kw recovery. Just let them put a second battery in so that it can be implemented sooner.

These current tanks are far to heavy as it is.

[peewon]

I don't understand, why F1 is not pushing for Front Wheels energy recovery. I mean, the cars need to slow down on straights, while there is a completely untapped potential from brakes.
From my rough calculations a 150KW front recovery would give additional 1.5-2.5 MJ per lap (roughly 60% of what the rears produce).
The rumours were that Mercedes was against it, as to not give Audi any advantage, but come on... They are so far ahead, that any Audi know-how advantage would be marginal at best.

Mercedes would have the knowledge gained from Formula-E, so no advantage to Audi there.

I thought it was to do with it making it too difficult to stop them using it as a form of ABS if they had front wheel regen as well. Which is funny, because Formula E has lockups.

Mercedes advantage also lies in their software management of the battery deployment which is what Mclaren has been complaining about. So the advanatge is in keeping the cars battery starved thus making its deployment extra critical and giving their superior software the advantage.

[carisi2k]

Let the teams have 8MJ of battery to take advantage of the 350kw recovery. Just let them put a second battery in so that it can be implemented sooner.

These current tanks are far to heavy as it is.

The batteries are only 35kg. These cars are recovering 250-350kw and the 4MJ battery is not big enough to store the amount of energy these cars can regenerate. So either give them the second 4MJ battery or reduce the kers back to 120kw and try to get some more weight out of the car.

[De Wet]

Let the teams have 8MJ of battery to take advantage of the 350kw recovery. Just let them put a second battery in so that it can be implemented sooner.

These current tanks are far to heavy as it is.

The batteries are only 35kg. These cars are recovering 250-350kw and the 4MJ battery is not big enough to store the amount of energy these cars can regenerate. So either give them the second 4MJ battery or reduce the kers back to 120kw and try to get some more weight out of the car.

It's all the combined "it only weighs" that has brought us to this point. Get to a 70/30 split asap this year and then 80/20 for 2027 & V8 or V10's for 2030.

[FW17]

F1's 2027 engine plan in jeopardy


https://www.the-race.com/formula-1/f1-s ... -in-doubt/

The proposal was not sound, was not going to solve any issues other than the political statement that something has been done.

They should live with what they have from the ICE, while dropping the deployment from electrical system to 150KW regular and 160KW overtaking. Charging the battery @ 350kw only from brakes.

600hp in corners and 800hp on the straights is good enough for F1.

To make it more challenging they can reduce the tyre width
Rear - 375 mm to 325mm

[langedweil]

My god, are they seriously considering shortening races by enlarging the fuelflow
without changing the fueltanks (and therefor chassis) just to get to a 60:40 split?
Just as SD declared F1 has no problem or issues at all, and is doing better than ever.

The level of incompetence gets bigger by the day, unf---ingreal on this level ..

[De Wet]

My god, are they seriously considering shortening races by enlarging the fuelflow
without changing the fueltanks (and therefor chassis) just to get to a 60:40 split?
Just as SD declared F1 has no problem or issues at all, and is doing better than ever.

The level of incompetence gets bigger by the day, unf---ingreal on this level ..

Get OEMS out of F1.

[Stu]

Curiously the ‘Monaco’ PU rules just announced could be the the definitive PU fix that stops clipping, LiCo, and running out of battery. It does, however play into certain engine specifications that boost top end power.
Too late for teams to create a dedicated aero package for Monaco specifically though.

[gearboxtrouble]

The noise around the "difficulty" of 60/40 is overdone imho and mostly there to serve political purposes. The 26 engines aren't really 50/50 anyway - more like 55/45 so we're talking about a 5% increase in fuel flow. We're talking minor combustion engine changes that amateurs in garages all over the world manage on road cars with limited resources all the time. Yes there would be some increased wear and tear but that's easily solved by adding an extra ICE to the pool. You wouldn't really need shorter races outside of a few fuel critical tracks anyway - most cars should have the tank space right now for them to go the full race distance with no chassis changes. Cost considerations are another red herring and really just a smokescreen for the real issue - the competitive picture impacts and what it means for ADUO this season. I think they'll reach some sort of settlement soon that limits the redirection of 26 ADUO allowances to 60/40 engine development and increases the engine cost cap for all teams to accommodate the engine development they'll need.

[clownfish]

Are the teams currently running full fuel tanks in the race?

[Stu]

Are the teams currently running full fuel tanks in the race?

Who knows!? They are unlikely to tell us due to competitive advantage.
What I would say is that McLaren are likely to be on the small side as far as fuel tanks go purely because of their 100mm shorter wheelbase.

[bananapeel23]

The noise around the "difficulty" of 60/40 is overdone imho and mostly there to serve political purposes. The 26 engines aren't really 50/50 anyway - more like 55/45 so we're talking about a 5% increase in fuel flow. We're talking minor combustion engine changes that amateurs in garages all over the world manage on road cars with limited resources all the time. Yes there would be some increased wear and tear but that's easily solved by adding an extra ICE to the pool. You wouldn't really need shorter races outside of a few fuel critical tracks anyway - most cars should have the tank space right now for them to go the full race distance with no chassis changes. Cost considerations are another red herring and really just a smokescreen for the real issue - the competitive picture impacts and what it means for ADUO this season. I think they'll reach some sort of settlement soon that limits the redirection of 26 ADUO allowances to 60/40 engine development and increases the engine cost cap for all teams to accommodate the engine development they'll need.

Fuel flow will almost certaintl be set at 3300MJ/h. That’s a 10% increase.

[clownfish]

Are the teams currently running full fuel tanks in the race?

Who knows!? They are unlikely to tell us due to competitive advantage.
What I would say is that McLaren are likely to be on the small side as far as fuel tanks go purely because of their 100mm shorter wheelbase.

Obviously but sometimes we find out one way or another Interesting re. McLaren