2026 Hybrid Powerunits

[diffuser]

You're blaming Audi cause they were the only ones to comment, when there is only 2 votes in favour of a 2027 change? The argument that the 2 in favour of the chnage for 2027 is a move to Minimize ADOU sounds about right.

I specifically mention Audi because they have been a core part of why these regs turned out the way they did. From F1 trying too swoon them to join with the power split, to them demanding things like the removal of the MGU-H, to then claiming they never insisted on the 50/50 split recently, but now opposing a change because of "cost" despite the cost being small in the context of F1 and tiny in the context of a major auto-manufacturer. They've added nothing to the product so far but caused a bunch of problems as far as I'm concerned.

The only manufacturer I can understand would be hesitant to switch for 2027 is Honda, just because they have a lot on their plate with how poorly that project is being managed.

Stop that, the others agreed. It was a negotiation between the manufactures, FOM and FIA. They all contributed to the current regs. The FIA added the CR limit, removed the MGU-H (they could have just standardized it and given it to a 3ird party to manufacture), Merc was against front brake regen.

EDIT
You're also, kind of, making mzos point that these regs have thier politics and it might take longer than expected to happen.

[mzso]

So, Russel is in favor of not touching the PU regs. And I think he's right in that the way they work now is what results in the on track action we have. If they take most of it away, well likely be back to a lot of following with little to no overtakes.

[FW17]

What happened to ADEO?

Who are the engine manufacturers allowed more updates this year?

[Jaisonas]

Somehow the energy drinks company built the best ice although, not sure about the decision to measure only the ice for aduo and not the electric side of things considering it amounts to 50% of power.
https://www.the-race.com/formula-1/f1-e ... -revealed/

[Cold Fussion]

Would be interesting to know how they are measure it, and whether or not that now that the teams know the difference , whether or not the system is safe from being gamed because presumably now the teams will be able to work out how that difference was calculated.

[venkyhere]

Measuring only the ICE output to determine which is the 'benchmark PU' ignoring the MGU-K, the charge/discharge HW/SW - that's like a football referee deciding whether it was a foul or not based on how the crowd reacted rather than watching a replay. Once again, Reichmarshall Wolff and his team have 'gamed the system' by 'helping the FIA' frame the rules, test/measurement criteria etc.

[LM10]

Giving the manufacturer with the best PU by a big margin even more resources to develop it. Welcome to F1.

The fact that Mercedes' ICE is weak enough to be granted ADUO is really hard to believe to be honest. Or is this without the CR trick?

[gearboxtrouble]

Giving the manufacturer with the best PU by a big margin even more resources to develop it. Welcome to F1.

The fact that Mercedes' ICE is weak enough to be granted ADUO is really hard to believe to be honest. Or is this without the CR trick?

The CR rule change is the one thing I can see creating a 2% gap between RBPT and Mercedes. If an engine and fuel has been designed and optimized to operate above 16:1 and then been nerfed via a timing change to operate less efficiently to pass the new test then I could see a decently sized hp loss. Barcelona will be interesting - Max will get a new engine for the first time this season and the new CR test will be in place. If Mercedes is suddenly losing gobs of time on the straights that'll be a good indicator for what actually happened.

[nico5]

Giving the manufacturer with the best PU by a big margin even more resources to develop it. Welcome to F1.

The fact that Mercedes' ICE is weak enough to be granted ADUO is really hard to believe to be honest. Or is this without the CR trick?

Blue delta lines seem to go up in the straights, but maybe Tombazis is wearing his glasses upside down

[FNTC]

The problem with ADUO is it is measuring ICE power only. So if the Mercedes ICE is 2% weaker than the RB one, they must have a better electrical half of the PU. MGU-K, battery, deployment, etc.