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f1316 wrote:
10 Jun 2026, 23:58
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10 Jun 2026, 21:16
Is Mark Hughes a reliable journalist?
Yes, I would say one of the more reliable.

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deadhead wrote:
11 Jun 2026, 23:39
f1316 wrote:
10 Jun 2026, 23:58
deadhead wrote:
10 Jun 2026, 21:16
Is Mark Hughes a reliable journalist?
Yes, I would say one of the more reliable.
why is leclerc complaining about the brakes that hamilton is using and doesn't stick to what he used to use? he has been on brembo for 10 years

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From the article:
But while Hamilton is now happy with his new CI discs (with Brembo callipers), Leclerc is not happy with the new-spec Brembo discs developed as a response to Hamilton’s original complaints.
So now in Barcelona, Leclerc too is trying the CI discs, from my understanding, for the first time.

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Venturiation wrote:
11 Jun 2026, 23:54
deadhead wrote:
11 Jun 2026, 23:39
f1316 wrote:
10 Jun 2026, 23:58


Yes, I would say one of the more reliable.
why is leclerc complaining about the brakes that hamilton is using and doesn't stick to what he used to use? he has been on brembo for 10 years
He has been using the Brembos all season. He encountered issues with them at Montreal and Monaco, apparently.

Leclerc's now trialing the CI discs at Barcelona, the same ones Hamilton has been using since Suzuka.

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Venturiation wrote:
11 Jun 2026, 23:54
deadhead wrote:
11 Jun 2026, 23:39
f1316 wrote:
10 Jun 2026, 23:58


Yes, I would say one of the more reliable.
why is leclerc complaining about the brakes that hamilton is using and doesn't stick to what he used to use? he has been on brembo for 10 years
He's complaining about the new specification Brembos (he had in the past two races) that were developed in response to Hamilton criticism, which Hamilton isn't even using.

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mzso wrote:
12 Jun 2026, 00:22
Venturiation wrote:
11 Jun 2026, 23:54
deadhead wrote:
11 Jun 2026, 23:39


why is leclerc complaining about the brakes that hamilton is using and doesn't stick to what he used to use? he has been on brembo for 10 years
He's complaining about the new specification Brembos (he had in the past two races) that were developed in response to Hamilton criticism, which Hamilton isn't even using.
If this reporting from Hughes is true, it represents pretty significant mismanagement by Ferrari/Vasseur, IMO.

Why is Brembo continuing to develop brake discs to suit/accommodate a driver who is no longer actually using Brembo brake discs?

And it's not as if Hamilton switched to CI temporarily but has suggested he's open to swapping back to Brembo; he's been extremely vocal about his desire to use CI brake components since arriving at Ferrari.

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mzso wrote:
12 Jun 2026, 00:22
Venturiation wrote:
11 Jun 2026, 23:54
deadhead wrote:
11 Jun 2026, 23:39


why is leclerc complaining about the brakes that hamilton is using and doesn't stick to what he used to use? he has been on brembo for 10 years
He's complaining about the new specification Brembos (he had in the past two races) that were developed in response to Hamilton criticism, which Hamilton isn't even using.
This story sounds like a whole lot of nonsense to me to stir drama between drivers where there is none. Autoracer already reported nothing changed with Charles' brakes and its materials, that they both tested the CI brakes before Japan (i dont remember how far before) but Charles decided to stick with Brembo, which was confirmed by Lewis. Today Lewis said his goal is to elevate the whole team and Charles is a part of that and also today Charles said Lewis was right for going with the CI brakes while throwing a little shade at Brembo.

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catent wrote:
12 Jun 2026, 00:40
mzso wrote:
12 Jun 2026, 00:22
Venturiation wrote:
11 Jun 2026, 23:54


why is leclerc complaining about the brakes that hamilton is using and doesn't stick to what he used to use? he has been on brembo for 10 years
He's complaining about the new specification Brembos (he had in the past two races) that were developed in response to Hamilton criticism, which Hamilton isn't even using.
If this reporting from Hughes is true, it represents pretty significant mismanagement by Ferrari/Vasseur, IMO.

Why is Brembo continuing to develop brake discs to suit/accommodate a driver who is no longer actually using Brembo brake discs?

And it's not as if Hamilton switched to CI temporarily but has suggested he's open to swapping back to Brembo; he's been extremely vocal about his desire to use CI brake components since arriving at Ferrari.
My guess would be that, for commercial reasons, Ferrari want to find a Brembo-produced solution both drivers will use. Fred probably acquiesced to Lewis using CI brakes on the proviso that, if Brembo developed a solution he was happy with, he’d switch back.

The trickier parts to comprehend are: (1) why Leclerc ended up using the Brembo attempt at a CI-style solution - from his comments, it sounded like Lewis didn’t want to and Charles “took one for the team” to see if he could get them to work (2) why he isn’t now just reverting to his pre-Canada Brembos and instead switching to Hamilton’s.

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f1316 wrote:
12 Jun 2026, 02:37
catent wrote:
12 Jun 2026, 00:40
mzso wrote:
12 Jun 2026, 00:22


He's complaining about the new specification Brembos (he had in the past two races) that were developed in response to Hamilton criticism, which Hamilton isn't even using.
If this reporting from Hughes is true, it represents pretty significant mismanagement by Ferrari/Vasseur, IMO.

Why is Brembo continuing to develop brake discs to suit/accommodate a driver who is no longer actually using Brembo brake discs?

And it's not as if Hamilton switched to CI temporarily but has suggested he's open to swapping back to Brembo; he's been extremely vocal about his desire to use CI brake components since arriving at Ferrari.
My guess would be that, for commercial reasons, Ferrari want to find a Brembo-produced solution both drivers will use. Fred probably acquiesced to Lewis using CI brakes on the proviso that, if Brembo developed a solution he was happy with, he’d switch back.

The trickier parts to comprehend are: (1) why Leclerc ended up using the Brembo attempt at a CI-style solution - from his comments, it sounded like Lewis didn’t want to and Charles “took one for the team” to see if he could get them to work (2) why he isn’t now just reverting to his pre-Canada Brembos and instead switching to Hamilton’s.
Point '2' is the big one that's hard to comprehend, and leads me to believe that perhaps this situation is more nuanced/complex than it has been presented.

I'm still really curious if the Brembo discs actually changed at all between Miami and Montreal, and if so, what changed and can it be reverted? Or was this issue always present but the conditions at Montreal and Monaco exacerbated it? That's a big piece of the puzzle.

If it really is a matter of thermal management, perhaps Leclerc could use both Brembo and CI discs throughout the season based on track layout/conditions, and select whichever is best suited for that particular weekend? That seems improbable and potentially challenging, but the thought crossed my mind.

I will note, Leclerc appeared very strong under braking at Suzuka, still using the Brembo discs. I remember being impressed at how much later he was braking into the hairpin and diving the apex, finding a ton of time there; he also seemed consistently strong through the Suzuka chicane, which is also a heavy braking zone.

What, if anything, has changed since Suzuka regarding the Brembo discs, or the car configuration and potential downstream effects on the brakes - that's the million-dollar question.

Leclerc has always been regarded as one of the strongest brakers in F1 (Hamilton, too), so he didn't suddenly forget overnight how to brake effectively - clearly something is amiss. Any driver who isn't confident on the brakes is largely useless, but especially someone like Leclerc who finds a lot of time under braking. Once he regains his confidence while braking, I expect he'll seamlessly return to his usual form/pace.

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catent wrote:
12 Jun 2026, 02:48
f1316 wrote:
12 Jun 2026, 02:37
catent wrote:
12 Jun 2026, 00:40
If this reporting from Hughes is true, it represents pretty significant mismanagement by Ferrari/Vasseur, IMO.

Why is Brembo continuing to develop brake discs to suit/accommodate a driver who is no longer actually using Brembo brake discs?

And it's not as if Hamilton switched to CI temporarily but has suggested he's open to swapping back to Brembo; he's been extremely vocal about his desire to use CI brake components since arriving at Ferrari.
My guess would be that, for commercial reasons, Ferrari want to find a Brembo-produced solution both drivers will use. Fred probably acquiesced to Lewis using CI brakes on the proviso that, if Brembo developed a solution he was happy with, he’d switch back.

The trickier parts to comprehend are: (1) why Leclerc ended up using the Brembo attempt at a CI-style solution - from his comments, it sounded like Lewis didn’t want to and Charles “took one for the team” to see if he could get them to work (2) why he isn’t now just reverting to his pre-Canada Brembos and instead switching to Hamilton’s.
Point '2' is the big one that's hard to comprehend, and leads me to believe that perhaps this situation is more nuanced/complex than it has been presented.

I'm still really curious if the Brembo discs actually changed at all between Miami and Montreal, and if so, what changed and can it be reverted? Or was this issue always present but the conditions at Montreal and Monaco exacerbated it? That's a big piece of the puzzle.

If it really is a matter of thermal management, perhaps Leclerc could use both Brembo and CI discs throughout the season based on track layout/conditions, and select whichever is best suited for that particular weekend? That seems improbable and potentially challenging, but the thought crossed my mind.

I will note, Leclerc appeared very strong under braking at Suzuka, still using the Brembo discs. I remember being impressed at how much later he was braking into the hairpin and diving the apex, finding a ton of time there; he also seemed consistently strong through the Suzuka chicane, which is also a heavy braking zone.

What, if anything, has changed since Suzuka regarding the Brembo discs, or the car configuration and potential downstream effects on the brakes - that's the million-dollar question.

Leclerc has always been regarded as one of the strongest brakers in F1 (Hamilton, too), so he didn't suddenly forget overnight how to brake effectively - clearly something is amiss. Any driver who isn't confident on the brakes is largely useless, but especially someone like Leclerc who finds a lot of time under braking. Once he regains his confidence while braking, I expect he'll seamlessly return to his usual form/pace.
Yeah leclerc good braker but not lewis level only kimi is

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Luscion wrote:
12 Jun 2026, 00:51
mzso wrote:
12 Jun 2026, 00:22
Venturiation wrote:
11 Jun 2026, 23:54


why is leclerc complaining about the brakes that hamilton is using and doesn't stick to what he used to use? he has been on brembo for 10 years
He's complaining about the new specification Brembos (he had in the past two races) that were developed in response to Hamilton criticism, which Hamilton isn't even using.
This story sounds like a whole lot of nonsense to me to stir drama between drivers where there is none. Autoracer already reported nothing changed with Charles' brakes and its materials, that they both tested the CI brakes before Japan (i dont remember how far before) but Charles decided to stick with Brembo, which was confirmed by Lewis. Today Lewis said his goal is to elevate the whole team and Charles is a part of that and also today Charles said Lewis was right for going with the CI brakes while throwing a little shade at Brembo.
Yeah the story is made up

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f1316 wrote:
12 Jun 2026, 02:37
catent wrote:
12 Jun 2026, 00:40
mzso wrote:
12 Jun 2026, 00:22


He's complaining about the new specification Brembos (he had in the past two races) that were developed in response to Hamilton criticism, which Hamilton isn't even using.
If this reporting from Hughes is true, it represents pretty significant mismanagement by Ferrari/Vasseur, IMO.

Why is Brembo continuing to develop brake discs to suit/accommodate a driver who is no longer actually using Brembo brake discs?

And it's not as if Hamilton switched to CI temporarily but has suggested he's open to swapping back to Brembo; he's been extremely vocal about his desire to use CI brake components since arriving at Ferrari.
My guess would be that, for commercial reasons, Ferrari want to find a Brembo-produced solution both drivers will use. Fred probably acquiesced to Lewis using CI brakes on the proviso that, if Brembo developed a solution he was happy with, he’d switch back.

The trickier parts to comprehend are: (1) why Leclerc ended up using the Brembo attempt at a CI-style solution - from his comments, it sounded like Lewis didn’t want to and Charles “took one for the team” to see if he could get them to work (2) why he isn’t now just reverting to his pre-Canada Brembos and instead switching to Hamilton’s.


I trust AR far more, again this story from motorsportmagazine just doesnt make sense to me. The only change made to the Brembo brakes for Lewis happened in Canada last year. An issue both Lewis and Charles complained about throughout last year looking back at radio messages

https://autoracer.it/sorpresa-ferrari-h ... in-spagna/
Just last year, over the Canadian weekend, there was an update to the brakes (pads) that calmed things down a bit’, with Hamilton finding himself a bit’ more comfortable with that solution, however, the seven-time world champion continued to push through the winter to get a solution he liked better. Thus, without much fanfare and after a pre-season test in Bahrain, Hamilton managed to convince his team to change the brake supply on his car, unofficially going his own way from the Japanese GP in Suzuka

On AR's livestream this week they reported nothing changed on Charles' car regarding brakes and its materials in Canada. They also mentioned separately that both Sierra and Lewis pushed for CI since last year.





AR explain potentially why Leclerc's problems only showed themselves at the last two GPs
https://autoracer.it/leclerc-ufficializ ... ri-brembo/
The new regulations put even more strain on the rear brakes. Drivers' preferences can evolve over time and often depend on extremely subjective factors, tied more to feel than to absolute performance data. This is even more true with certain regulatory changes, such as the current one, where each driver's braking feel has become an even more central topic. The new cars, characterized by a significant increase in energy regeneration through the expanded electric component, reduce the contribution of the traditional braking system, especially on the rear axle. Dissipating less energy mechanically means greater difficulty in keeping the rear brakes within the ideal thermal window. In other words, the discs do less work, heat up less, and become more sensitive to variations in use. This is especially pronounced on low-energy circuits like Monaco, where Safety Car phases can amplify the problem, or in rather cold conditions like those encountered in Canada

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catent wrote:
12 Jun 2026, 00:04
Venturiation wrote:
11 Jun 2026, 23:54
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11 Jun 2026, 23:39


why is leclerc complaining about the brakes that hamilton is using and doesn't stick to what he used to use? he has been on brembo for 10 years
He has been using the Brembos all season. He encountered issues with them at Montreal and Monaco, apparently.

Leclerc's now trialing the CI discs at Barcelona, the same ones Hamilton has been using since Suzuka.
Drivers have a tendency to point the finger at their machinery when they are not doing as well as they expected. I hope this is not what Charels is resorting to. It's a pattern of his teammates when Hamilton starts to find his stride. I am not really convince Hamilton is truly back to his old quickness yet though. Barcelona should show the real picture of both the car and its drivers.
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PlatinumZealot wrote:
12 Jun 2026, 06:04
catent wrote:
12 Jun 2026, 00:04
Venturiation wrote:
11 Jun 2026, 23:54


why is leclerc complaining about the brakes that hamilton is using and doesn't stick to what he used to use? he has been on brembo for 10 years
He has been using the Brembos all season. He encountered issues with them at Montreal and Monaco, apparently.

Leclerc's now trialing the CI discs at Barcelona, the same ones Hamilton has been using since Suzuka.
Drivers have a tendency to point the finger at their machinery when they are not doing as well as they expected. I hope this is not what Charels is resorting to. It's a pattern of his teammates when Hamilton starts to find his stride. I am not really convince Hamilton is truly back to his old quickness yet though. Barcelona should show the real picture of both the car and its drivers.
Ferrari confirmed he had issues with brakes and i highly doubt Charles would risk causing drama with a Ferrari sponsor because he wants to use it as an excuse. Last year both of them complained a lot about the brakes, theres a reason lewis swapped to CI.

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So, if CI disks have a higher/hotter operating window, how would they be better than Brembo in the rear since, with regen, the rears run cooler?