Concept power units from 2030

[De Wet]

https://www.grandprix247.com/f1-opinion ... ufacturers


Great article.

[gearboxtrouble]

So Audi is also open to a V8 engine

https://www.grandprix247.com/f1-teams-n ... -formula-1

I mean they're rushing out new V8 powered RS models and a turbo V8 powered R8 based on the Temerario is in the works. VAG is spending EUR50b on new ICE development. Some of that is going to end up funding some pretty exciting power plants.

https://www.grandprix247.com/f1-opinion ... ufacturers

As much as I love V10s (I currently own a car with one) I think they're needlessly complex and expensive to develop when a V8 would give you 90% of the same experience. If the primary goal of the 2030 regs is to make the engines simpler, lighter and cheaper then its better to stick to some sort of flat plane V8.

[mzso]

If the primary goal of the 2030 regs is to make the engines simpler, lighter and cheaper then its better to stick to some sort of flat plane V8.

I'm not sure if the V8's help with any of these points. Going to V8 is counterintuitive, it will just make the ICE heavier. Plus 2 cylinders also adds complexity. Cheaper? I'm doubtful, I think everyone will use up the cost cap.
Furthermore there was no talk of dropping turbocharging, which might decrease complexity a bit, but increase size and weight and fuel for sure.
It would also be surprising if they removed hybridization completely, which also wasn't mentioned.

As much as I love V10s (I currently own a car with one) I

Really? What model?

[gearboxtrouble]

If the primary goal of the 2030 regs is to make the engines simpler, lighter and cheaper then its better to stick to some sort of flat plane V8.

I'm not sure if the V8's help with any of these points. Going to V8 is counterintuitive, it will just make the ICE heavier. Plus 2 cylinders also adds complexity. Cheaper? I'm doubtful, I think everyone will use up the cost cap.
Furthermore there was no talk of dropping turbocharging, which might decrease complexity a bit, but increase size and weight and fuel for sure.
It would also be surprising if they removed hybridization completely, which also wasn't mentioned.

As much as I love V10s (I currently own a car with one) I

Really? What model?

I meant simpler, lighter and cheaper than a V10. It also helps that every manufacturer other than Honda builds road car V8s as well. I own a 2017 Viper SRT - I know I am a barbarian but its a lot of fun.

[mzso]

If the primary goal of the 2030 regs is to make the engines simpler, lighter and cheaper then its better to stick to some sort of flat plane V8.

I'm not sure if the V8's help with any of these points. Going to V8 is counterintuitive, it will just make the ICE heavier. Plus 2 cylinders also adds complexity. Cheaper? I'm doubtful, I think everyone will use up the cost cap.
Furthermore there was no talk of dropping turbocharging, which might decrease complexity a bit, but increase size and weight and fuel for sure.
It would also be surprising if they removed hybridization completely, which also wasn't mentioned.

As much as I love V10s (I currently own a car with one) I

Really? What model?

I meant simpler, lighter and cheaper than a V10. It also helps that every manufacturer other than Honda builds road car V8s as well. I own a 2017 Viper SRT - I know I am a barbarian but its a lot of fun.

Yeah, but it goes in the exact opposite direction in this regard.

Hm, the on-board sound of the car reminds of the Audi Quattro Group B car mostly. That had half the cylinders.

[DenBommer]

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/fia- ... /10829218/

[mzso]

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/fia- ... /10829218/

I'm starting to get a feeling of a populist leader/dictator, who says whatever people want to hear. Meanwhile nothing ever becomes of it, and everything is ruined in the background. I hope I'll be positively disappointed.

I still se no suggestion what sort of "V8" is he thinking of. Small displacement turbo or a large NA. What he says seems contradictory. He both says going down to 630kg with smaller cars, but also the "sound". I don't think 3l V8 would help going down, and smaller turbo's wont have the "sound".

Also the "760 horsepower with 10% in it of electrification" wouldn't go down well with many/majority f1 fans, who get off on seeing higher numbers and 760 is a ~quarter less then than 1000. (assuming this broken grammar means 760 total with 76hp of it electric power)

[FW17]

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/fia- ... /10829218/

I'm starting to get a feeling of a populist leader/dictator, who says whatever people want to hear. Meanwhile nothing ever becomes of it, and everything is ruined in the background. I hope I'll be positively disappointed.

Dictator wanted more money - got it
Dictator wanted 11th ream - got it
Dictator wants professional race steward - will have to wait
Dictator wants NA V8 - will have to wait


He has only tripped on Wolff, but like Max had his day, it will come.

[FW17]

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/fia- ... /10829218/

I wish the rules stated that the engine is to be completely designed and manufactured by AI and robots with no human hands touching it.

[DenBommer]

I still prefer Toto Wolff’s concept: 800 hp from the ICE and 400 hp from the electric motor.

A simpler turbocharged V8 ICE would allow manufacturers to focus more on developing advanced battery technology and electric motors.

[De Wet]

I still prefer Toto Wolff’s concept: 800 hp from the ICE and 400 hp from the electric motor.

A simpler turbocharged V8 ICE would allow manufacturers to focus more on developing advanced battery technology and electric motors.

I'd like 950hp+ from ICE & 100hp from battery.

[FW17]

I still prefer Toto Wolff’s concept: 800 hp from the ICE and 400 hp from the electric motor.

A simpler turbocharged V8 ICE would allow manufacturers to focus more on developing advanced battery technology and electric motors.

I'd like 950hp+ from ICE & 100hp from battery.

Hybrids are so pointless, it is BEV or EREV on the roads.

V8 with no hybrid is way for F1, as VW Executive said the ICE car is like a horse, the segment F1 should appeal to (ie people with horses).