2026 Aston Martin Aramco Formula One Team

[diffuser]

So ferrari are bringing an engine upgrade via aduo for next race and another in a few races time.
I'm assuming honda are taking longer cos they want to change the architecture for next year? Or is it a case or being further behind so have to take longer with engine stuff

Sky said yesterday "Formula 1's governing body, the FIA, are holding discussions with the teams regarding their engine performance findings" So I don't think that the results of ADUO are finalized yet.

I am really getting mad about this. Politics has put Honda in the crossfire and they are being delayed from developing its engine. The FIA needs to step up and put an end to these games.

Nobody is preventing Honda from Developing anything. There are no restriction on what a PU Manufacture does with it's CAP $$$$.

[GhostF1]

Sky said yesterday "Formula 1's governing body, the FIA, are holding discussions with the teams regarding their engine performance findings" So I don't think that the results of ADUO are finalized yet.

I am really getting mad about this. Politics has put Honda in the crossfire and they are being delayed from developing its engine. The FIA needs to step up and put an end to these games.

Nobody is preventing Honda from Developing anything. There are no restriction on what a PU Manufacture does with it's CAP $$$$.

Agree with this. And I'm sure they've been developing the engine all along, it just depends what they can bring to the track in steps based on the FIA's findings. It isn't really a matter of waiting to start developing. That is not the case, Honda have been doing so the whole time.

The difference between Honda and Ferrari for example, is Fez can afford to bring small updates where they can to bridge the gap. Honda are requiring much larger steps, which take time. This isn't a conversation solely about peak power either, that drastically over-simplifies how these things run. And I'd love to know how much the gearbox is actually affecting them. This is impossible to quantify with these power units, especially on the outside. Hell of a year to start making your own!

[zoroastar]

lance scored in the first 2 races of the season last year. alonso was racing in 5th when he crashed in australia. they had a sh$% car but they had a good engine.

Yes, you're absolutely right. You could choose to consistently score points as a 5th or 6th-place finishing team and enjoy it. I think you prefer AM to remain a mid-pack team, sticking to the familiar scenarios last years. However, suffering today and becoming champion in 2-3 years is much better than scoring points in the middle of the pack. That's the current AM vision, but you're still stuck in the middle of the pack. McLaren is currently scoring points with the Merc engine, but they also say they feel the shortcomings of not being a factory team. Do you think they're happy just because they're scoring points right now?

wtf are you talkin about dude? i simply made a factual statement because the dude i replied to made a statement that was completely false. you dont know anything about what i want. i was the one saying honda was a great idea when other people were saying how bad it was looking from their preseason statements about having no members from the redbull days left. now its turned into whether choosing a particular engine supplier set them back for an entire rules cycle or not. remains to be seen at the moment.

[zoroastar]

In Monaco the drivers refused to shift to first gear for better recover because of engine drive-ability, and when Stroll relented he immediately crashed.
So it's not like in Monaco the engine wasn't a factor in the poor results.

I don't think, no one here is trying to say that the engine has no effect at all. But we sometimes get involved in the futile task of trying to explain to those who are unwilling to understand that the engine isn't the only problem.

However, how much of a good engine feel can you get with a poorly functioning transmission? That's something to consider. If the transmission isn't working as expected, how can engine mapping solve the problem? Perhaps there are areas where those working on the chassis side are struggling because of the engine, but the same applies to the engine side as well. If the transmission and rear grip/df aren't helping you to achieve the rear braking you need to regenaration, wouldn't you experience this as a lack of maximum power from electric motor side? So maybe some of 70 hp power gap comes from low performance of the car.

dude, trust me, there isnt a soul in here that thinks that we have a good chassis. most have moved on to talking about other team related topics. a few people in here that are so hyper sensitive to hondas problems that they cant make a single comment without telling us once again that astons chassis sucks too. who TF cares? its just a stupid pissing contest. people need to stop over compensating for their beloved engine maker and thinking they are some kind of mythical company that can do no wrong. EVERYBODY knows that the chassis needs work. everybody also knows that if they had a decent reliable power unit and GEARBOX they would probably have been miles ahead of where they are now in that department. the sad posts by people that are butthurt that honda gets blamed for anything is wearing old. this is aston / honda team thread, not the honda sympathy forum

[hollus]

And everybody needs to stop taking things personal and to stop telling others what they should not say or not think.
Keep it civil, folks. Live with the different opinions.