2026 Aston Martin Aramco Formula One Team

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diffuser wrote:
20 Jul 2026, 00:47
F1RAM wrote:
19 Jul 2026, 20:15
Ashwinv16 wrote:
19 Jul 2026, 18:16


You can't be down on power on the electric systems as the power generated by it is regulated. They simply don't have enough power on the engine to recharge the batteries thus not enough to deploy and so more superclippng. The engine was 90 hp down at the start it's now like 60 hp. It also clear 60% of the deficit is coming from the car itself.
How does it work tho?? If they are like 40-50hp i.e, within 10pct down on ICE power, how much are they down with the battery n recovery?
Let's say it takes 500 HP to get an F1 car to 300 km/h. Car A has an ICE (Internal Combustion Engine) with 500 HP, while Car B's ICE only has 450 HP.
​Assume there are two straights with no opportunities to recharge between them. The first straight is just long enough to reach 300 km/h. The second straight is much longer—so long, in fact, that it exceeds the battery deployment capacity of both cars.
​On the first straight, Car B deploys 37.3 kW (50 HP) for 3 seconds to match Car A's baseline engine power. This consumes exactly 0.1119 MJ, which does not sound like much.
​On the second, longer straight, both cars go for maximum strategic deployment to punch through the air:
  • Car B has 8.3881 MJ left in its energy pool. It uses absolute full deployment (the maximum regulated 350 kW / ~469 HP), which it can sustain for 23.97 seconds. This brings its total output during this time to 919 HP (450 HP ICE + 469 HP MGU-K).
  • Car A wants to match Car B's blistering 919 HP total output. Because its engine is already stronger, it only needs to pull 419 HP (~312.5 kW) from its MGU-K. Because it is drawing less power from its completely full 8.5 MJ pool, its battery deployment stretches out to last for 27.20 seconds.
​Consequently, after 23.97 seconds, Car B completely runs out of battery, and its power output drops instantly to just its 450 HP ICE. Meanwhile, Car A will continue flying down the straight with its full 919 HP combo for another 3.23 seconds.
​With a massive 919 HP, the cars could theoretically achieve a top speed of 366.8 km/h (about 227.9 mph). Because of the cubic law of aerodynamic drag, nearly doubling the horsepower from 500 HP to over 900 HP (an 84% increase in power) only yields about a 22.3% increase in top speed.
​In the real world of F1, that extra electrical power is mostly used to get the car up to that 360+ km/h mark incredibly fast down the straight, rather than just trickling upward slowly. This is precisely why Car A would completely overpower Car B at the end of a long straight once Car B's battery goes dead!
Nice explanation...👌 so the main problem of Honda is the ICE. How good is the battery part of Honda then? There were few rumours early in the season that the engine struggles to even harvest 250kw of energy.

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CHT wrote:
20 Jul 2026, 01:01
Xyz22 wrote:
19 Jul 2026, 19:32
Ashwinv16 wrote:
19 Jul 2026, 18:16


You can't be down on power on the electric systems as the power generated by it is regulated. They simply don't have enough power on the engine to recharge the batteries thus not enough to deploy and so more superclippng. The engine was 90 hp down at the start it's now like 60 hp. It also clear 60% of the deficit is coming from the car itself.
Yeah the car is now almost 6 months old and has been developed with a delay of around 3-4 months compared to the rivals. It performed better than i expected to be honest. It's quite crazy they are within the 107% rule.
There must be very fundamental structural issues with the car that is not worth fixing or developing.
Next race you will see the rebirth of what is to come for 2027
Newey said there are no structural changes except the nose. Just loss of weight and substantially revised aerodynamics surfaces.
Newey called it a 'big aerodynamic package'.
SLIGHTLY modify rear suspension.

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Maybe Honda have the solution but because ADUO have been waiting to implement. So they have guranteed the max redevelopment. Wish thinking I know but would be smart from their part to have tested during the Friday practices the solutions, and then on race not show their cards because they know B spec would come mid summer and have full access to ADUO. Now if you have the problems solve and you have extra to develop on top of that it is a play on the rules. But as i said wishing thinking.

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Redragon wrote:
20 Jul 2026, 15:13
Maybe Honda have the solution but because ADUO have been waiting to implement. So they have guranteed the max redevelopment. Wish thinking I know but would be smart from their part to have tested during the Friday practices the solutions, and then on race not show their cards because they know B spec would come mid summer and have full access to ADUO. Now if you have the problems solve and you have extra to develop on top of that it is a play on the rules. But as i said wishing thinking.
Solution to what ?

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Redragon wrote:
20 Jul 2026, 15:13
Maybe Honda have the solution but because ADUO have been waiting to implement. So they have guranteed the max redevelopment. Wish thinking I know but would be smart from their part to have tested during the Friday practices the solutions, and then on race not show their cards because they know B spec would come mid summer and have full access to ADUO. Now if you have the problems solve and you have extra to develop on top of that it is a play on the rules. But as i said wishing thinking.
What?? You know they have to take new PU components in order to test those solutions, which have to be declared.
There's no magic bullet for Honda..they started late, without the engineers of the last gen engine who returned just around March!. So don't expect them to overtake any other engine manufacturer. If they prove it wrong, fair play.

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F1RAM wrote:
20 Jul 2026, 15:47
Redragon wrote:
20 Jul 2026, 15:13
Maybe Honda have the solution but because ADUO have been waiting to implement. So they have guranteed the max redevelopment. Wish thinking I know but would be smart from their part to have tested during the Friday practices the solutions, and then on race not show their cards because they know B spec would come mid summer and have full access to ADUO. Now if you have the problems solve and you have extra to develop on top of that it is a play on the rules. But as i said wishing thinking.
What?? You know they have to take new PU components in order to test those solutions, which have to be declared.
There's no magic bullet for Honda..they started late, without the engineers of the last gen engine who returned just around March!. So don't expect them to overtake any other engine manufacturer. If they prove it wrong, fair play.
They could test reliability parts and wouldn't need ADUO.

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diffuser wrote:
18 Jul 2026, 13:07
In Newey's defense, he has been saying since he started that they were 4 months behind. There was upheaval at AMR before Newey joined and even after he joined, as he cleaned house. What's worse, his chosen Lieutenant, Cardile, tried to start in January but got taken to court by Ferrari resulting in a gardening leave extension till July of 2025. The writing was on the wall for both AMR Honda and we chose not to believe it. With AMR, it wasn't so much unprofessionalism as it was late to the dance with their 2 main technical leads.
I don't get this. They don't get a say at what Cardile does in his free time, which includes helping AM design a car without being under their employment.

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Weren't there rumors of a filming day? I guess that went nowhere, since the last time Krack it wasn't certain that all the parts of the upgrade will be ready for the Hungarian GP.
I guess we'll see the car first at Friday.

diffuser wrote:
20 Jul 2026, 16:28
They could test reliability parts and wouldn't need ADUO.
Those would still need to be declared and would take away from the PU component quota.

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avada wrote:
20 Jul 2026, 17:41
Weren't there rumors of a filming day? I guess that went nowhere, since the last time Krack it wasn't certain that all the parts of the upgrade will be ready for the Hungarian GP.
I guess we'll see the car first at Friday.

diffuser wrote:
20 Jul 2026, 16:28
They could test reliability parts and wouldn't need ADUO.
Those would still need to be declared and would take away from the PU component quota.
I'm pretty sure they're still doing a pirelli tyre test after the race is over.

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Franco Nugnes speaks an improvement of 50 HP as minimum.
Too much imo, but we will see.

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Sorry long time lurker, just as an aside, did Alonso try break the car at the end of Spa race or was he celebrating the end of that spec, burnouts burnouts burnouts

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Thunder18 wrote:
20 Jul 2026, 20:47
Sorry long time lurker, just as an aside, did Alonso try break the car at the end of Spa race or was he celebrating the end of that spec, burnouts burnouts burnouts
Lol he always does that when he's frustrated.. during practice, quali on worn out tyres towards the session end.

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avada wrote:
20 Jul 2026, 17:20
diffuser wrote:
18 Jul 2026, 13:07
In Newey's defense, he has been saying since he started that they were 4 months behind. There was upheaval at AMR before Newey joined and even after he joined, as he cleaned house. What's worse, his chosen Lieutenant, Cardile, tried to start in January but got taken to court by Ferrari resulting in a gardening leave extension till July of 2025. The writing was on the wall for both AMR Honda and we chose not to believe it. With AMR, it wasn't so much unprofessionalism as it was late to the dance with their 2 main technical leads.
I don't get this. They don't get a say at what Cardile does in his free time, which includes helping AM design a car without being under their employment.
Gardening leave is paid by the team the person is leaving at whatever salary he was making. It's in every engineer contract that there will be a Gardening leave if the team chooses to. Ferrari was super pissed at Cardile leaving.

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avada wrote:
20 Jul 2026, 17:41
Weren't there rumors of a filming day? I guess that went nowhere, since the last time Krack it wasn't certain that all the parts of the upgrade will be ready for the Hungarian GP.
I guess we'll see the car first at Friday.

diffuser wrote:
20 Jul 2026, 16:28
They could test reliability parts and wouldn't need ADUO.
Those would still need to be declared and would take away from the PU component quota.
There is a PU CAP but there isn't a limit on the number of parts you can change on the PU. Yes, and you have to let the FIA know well in advance.
None of it really makes sense to me. Why would you want to run a part only in FP? With PUs, new parts get run on the dyno with the full chassis.
I just pointed out that you could, not sure anyone would ever bring a part then test in FP and not use it. It's all very abstract cause the guy never described the problem.

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diffuser wrote:
20 Jul 2026, 21:34
Gardening leave is paid by the team the person is leaving at whatever salary he was making. It's in every engineer contract that there will be a Gardening leave if the team chooses to. Ferrari was super pissed at Cardile leaving.
Sure. But he wasn't employed at Aston. He just went there and did things. :)