2026 Mercedes-AMG Petronas F1 Team

This forum contains threads to discuss teams themselves. Anything not technical about the cars, including restructuring, performances etc belongs here.
User avatar
leblanc
2
Joined: 07 Mar 2024, 03:46
Location: Chicago

Re: 2026 Mercedes-AMG Petronas F1 Team

Post

Farnborough wrote:
21 Jul 2026, 15:07
its factual and most likely wheel spin % against available traction, which effectively wastes the ES capacity.
The statement is factual, but it also does not state it's wheelspin. While technically possible, it's very unlikely as the aero load remains enormous, even in straight mode. Maybe we'll be proven wrong. Probably not.

Matt2725
Matt2725
9
Joined: 02 Mar 2023, 13:12

Re: 2026 Mercedes-AMG Petronas F1 Team

Post

johnnycesup wrote:
20 Jul 2026, 23:08
Quantum wrote:
20 Jul 2026, 11:35
https://streamable.com/yy85du
Looking at the video, Kimi's speed went up to 318 when he was very close on the slipstream and dropped back to around 310 when he went past.

While Russell's speed went up closer to Les Combes when there was a few cars side by side in front of him, making a big hole in the air for him to attack.

Adding to that the fact that Russell was faster on the run to Eau Rouge than Kimi without a significant tow since Max was absolutely flying, my take is that Russell and Kimi shared roughly the same deployment issue in the start of the lap. Notably, Russell and Kimi pressed what I assume is the boost button (Left thumb on the yellow button) on the exit of La Source and on the beginning of the Kemmel straight but it didn't make that big of a difference compared to Max before Eau Rouge and McLaren/Ferrari on the Kemmel Straight.
I know for a fact that George didn't press the boost button until the top of Raidillon as Marcus his engineer reminded him to press it as he crested the hill. He didn't use it out of La Source AFAIK.

Farnborough
Farnborough
152
Joined: 18 Mar 2023, 14:15

Re: 2026 Mercedes-AMG Petronas F1 Team

Post

leblanc wrote:
21 Jul 2026, 16:00
Farnborough wrote:
21 Jul 2026, 15:07
its factual and most likely wheel spin % against available traction, which effectively wastes the ES capacity.
The statement is factual, but it also does not state it's wheelspin. While technically possible, it's very unlikely as the aero load remains enormous, even in straight mode. Maybe we'll be proven wrong. Probably not.
Yes, i take your point. I do think though that's it's more plausible than cursory view would permit.

With traction commonly at 5 % slip being quite normal for maximum acceleration, this "error" showing something in the order of 1.3%, I don't feel its in the relms of absolutely not in this case.

IF the difference is true (no ratio difference in play) then that would entail quite significant ES spend at beginning of straight in contrast to availability at the end.

Somewhere on here (I recall) was a quote of AK throttle at corner exit being typically lower than GR for the same.

The quoted comment of SR I've noted above, indicates their approach in discussion of technique with GR as possibility in this area I feel.

Waz
Waz
4
Joined: 03 Mar 2024, 09:29

Re: 2026 Mercedes-AMG Petronas F1 Team

Post

Quantum wrote:
20 Jul 2026, 09:38
So with a tow George is 2kmh slower than Kimi who has no tow?
The relevant bit is the speed into Eau Rouge.

Waz
Waz
4
Joined: 03 Mar 2024, 09:29

Re: 2026 Mercedes-AMG Petronas F1 Team

Post

SB15 wrote:
20 Jul 2026, 15:38
rbirules wrote:
20 Jul 2026, 15:24
SB15 wrote:
20 Jul 2026, 15:17


The last race being Brazil, oh how I missed this [-o<
Vegas is after Brazil.
Hopes and dreams killed ](*,)
Liberty would cream themselves if Vegas is the season finale

User avatar
Quantum
18
Joined: 14 Jan 2017, 00:59

Re: 2026 Mercedes-AMG Petronas F1 Team

Post

Waz wrote:
21 Jul 2026, 16:52
Quantum wrote:
20 Jul 2026, 09:38
So with a tow George is 2kmh slower than Kimi who has no tow?
The relevant bit is the speed into Eau Rouge.
I dont think so. The relevant bit should be from turn one to the Les Combes, freeze framing Eau Rouge wont show that Antonelli gapped Russell by 8 car lengths out of turn one.
"Interplay of triads"

User avatar
Lasssept
135
Joined: 09 Feb 2024, 01:13

Re: 2026 Mercedes-AMG Petronas F1 Team

Post

:-k


User avatar
venkyhere
45
Joined: 10 Feb 2024, 06:17

Re: 2026 Mercedes-AMG Petronas F1 Team

Post

Lasssept wrote:
22 Jul 2026, 12:32
:-k

Daily Mail. Can't expect anything of higher standard than such articles.

basti313
basti313
32
Joined: 22 Feb 2014, 14:49

Re: 2026 Mercedes-AMG Petronas F1 Team

Post

nitrotech wrote:
21 Jul 2026, 12:53
So much nonsense being pushed here without any data and pure hate for a driver. What a shame for this forum.

Here is more rational explanation of George's issues.

I do not think that is a good comparison. At least not for what happened in the race. And there is no good comparison for Q3. The judge what he did would have needed to check the charging, if they lifted at the same spots before.

Two simple points are not good for the race:
- The clear and visible comparison to Ant and Ver is not made. Rus was not really slower than the Ant and only slower to Ver when the deployment out of T1 was different.
- When Rus tipped the brake pedal, the speed went up. This is mentioned, but not followed up. There was obviously something wrong with the deployment. One would have expected they all discharge what they have on Kemmel, first lap. But only Ferrari did so. Did the boost button not work, or was it not used correctly? It affected all but Ferrari.
Don`t russel the hamster!

Just_a_fan
Just_a_fan
598
Joined: 31 Jan 2010, 20:37

Re: 2026 Mercedes-AMG Petronas F1 Team

Post

Lasssept wrote:
22 Jul 2026, 12:32
:-k

I'm surprised the Daily Mail's headline isn't "Brave Brit put in danger by Italian-loving Germans!". That's about their level.
If you are more fortunate than others, build a larger table not a taller fence.