2026 Aston Martin Aramco Formula One Team

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Alonso going for sdome more front wing.

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Solid time from fernando. Considering we are considerably down on engine power still

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Think we have a Q2 shot.

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Yeah, Alonso might have a shot at fighting the Haas cars for the final Q2 spot. Cadillac should be beaten, most likely Williams too.

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Agree. It seems it's ahead of Williams and Cadillac, maybe Haas too... And not that far from Alpine.

Still too new package, maybe cautious driving because of lack of parts too, and a lot of things to review and setup. Apart from power deficit.

It's a good step forward... Let's hope it doesn't stop here!

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diffuser wrote:
25 Jul 2026, 13:31
Think we have a Q2 shot.
Yeah. Nice to see Aston improve this much. Does anyone have any idea how significant will be that engine upgrade on Zandvoort ?

ADUO has not improved Ferrari and Audi noticebly, so I´m very skeptical about Honda´s

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“As you can imagine, everybody’s feverishly trying to understand exactly what went wrong, and what happened, as we speak,” said Newey. “It’s only once we have that understanding that we can comment on what we do next.”

Pushed on whether that part of the car was new, he added: “The area involved has actually not been changed. We are short on spares, because the cladding and so forth is different. There are some minor changes to that area. In that sense, it’s very unexpected.

“As I said, until we have an understanding, it’s difficult to comment further.”

It’s very early days in terms of understanding it,” said Newey,“The provisional results are promising."

“It’s only part of the package. We’ll have some more steps in [Zandvoort], and then further steps in Monza and Baku. It’s the first part of our planned upgrade.

“We’re very short on parts, so we’re being careful and trying to learn all about it.”

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The car seems to be running much better than before. I still have some doubts about the circuit; maybe it's favorable for the current state of the AMR26, and that creates a false impression of a big improvement in the car. I hope that's not the case and that the improvement is genuine.

Right now, I’d like it not to wear the tires quickly, but rather the opposite, of course. They’ve done a lot of laps with the M tires, and I find that interesting: maybe it’s the best choice during the race. That’s why not wearing them out quickly could be very important; it’s one of the very few options we might have in our favor.

From what we've seen in practice on this track so far, it looks like the +/- 50 kW of missing power could be the deciding factor. This isn't a big revelation, but it does help narrow down the issues. It would be amazing if the engine ended up being the only problem, so we could forget the nightmare this season has been so far.

T2 on the track is supposed to be a section to take it easy rather than take risks. On the other hand, T1 and T3 seem to be where you can improve lap times.

We'll see. I'm okay with changing the scenario of always going last and also retiring early. If the car doesn't eat up the tires, it will be the first big joy. Hopefully, the car works well and everything depends on Honda's good know-how.
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Artur Craft wrote:
25 Jul 2026, 13:38
diffuser wrote:
25 Jul 2026, 13:31
Think we have a Q2 shot.
Yeah. Nice to see Aston improve this much. Does anyone have any idea how significant will be that engine upgrade on Zandvoort ?

ADUO has not improved Ferrari and Audi noticebly, so I´m very skeptical about Honda´s
Nope... The rumors go from no power increase to 50hp+. Although the one thing they did say is that there will be no more vibration.

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I hope fernando has no rear damage like stroll. Went pretty wide on one of his runs

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SSJ4 wrote:
25 Jul 2026, 14:46
I hope fernando has no rear damage like stroll. Went pretty wide on one of his runs
At turn 13 (that loop before the last corner and the entry to the main straight) I saw Alonso a bit jerky the only time he appeared on TV going fast in that area. I thought the rear suspension was too stiff, that the movement was due to sliding, or both.

Other cars also seem to lose their rear in several spots. We’ll see what happens in qualifying; it’s been a while since I was this interested in seeing the results.
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Artur Craft wrote:
25 Jul 2026, 13:38
diffuser wrote:
25 Jul 2026, 13:31
Think we have a Q2 shot.
Yeah. Nice to see Aston improve this much. Does anyone have any idea how significant will be that engine upgrade on Zandvoort ?

ADUO has not improved Ferrari and Audi noticebly, so I´m very skeptical about Honda´s
And you're saying this because? You did read what Orihars has said about the engine upgrade. It's Honda's Bspec engine, actually the 3rd spec for this year. The combustion shape has been altered, having stated that their combustion had been up to this point immature. They had an issue with the fuel which they have been working on. The step in performance is a big step, not small. The dyno numbers are known by the team. This number is not in question since it's able to be measured on the dyno. The issue is reliability and whether the chassis can handle the power. RB21 didn't have vibration issues with the Honda PU and it has a similar vibration profile according to Watanabe. From the Honda side, this points to an integration issue. In otherwords, it's an installer issue.

Honestly, I'm skeptical about the new chassis and the integration with the old PU. I'm not sure how Aston can make use of a filming or tyre test during summer shutdown but if I were Honda I'd have AMR send the new monocoque bulkhead and gearbox or heck one entire car for Honda to test on the VTT once more so that they can dictate how the PU should be integrated. Hopefully what they learned the first time testing on the VTT still applies and AMR knows what it has to do on their side to accommodate their PU. It seems they have come to understand what they needed to adjust to resolve the vibrations that reappeared as oscillations. Whether that is a map, engine timing tweaks or other counter-measures prepared on the chassis side, the issue is where the oscillations manifest. On the MGUK area or more rearward and felt through the gearbox. Either way, it is an integration issue that requires countermeasures.

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ispano6 wrote:
25 Jul 2026, 15:34
Artur Craft wrote:
25 Jul 2026, 13:38
diffuser wrote:
25 Jul 2026, 13:31
Think we have a Q2 shot.
Yeah. Nice to see Aston improve this much. Does anyone have any idea how significant will be that engine upgrade on Zandvoort ?

ADUO has not improved Ferrari and Audi noticebly, so I´m very skeptical about Honda´s
And you're saying this because? You did read what Orihars has said about the engine upgrade. It's Honda's Bspec engine, actually the 3rd spec for this year. The combustion shape has been altered, having stated that their combustion had been up to this point immature. They had an issue with the fuel which they have been working on. The step in performance is a big step, not small. The dyno numbers are known by the team. This number is not in question since it's able to be measured on the dyno. The issue is reliability and whether the chassis can handle the power. RB21 didn't have vibration issues with the Honda PU and it has a similar vibration profile according to Watanabe. From the Honda side, this points to an integration issue. In otherwords, it's an installer issue.

Honestly, I'm skeptical about the new chassis and the integration with the old PU. I'm not sure how Aston can make use of a filming or tyre test during summer shutdown but if I were Honda I'd have AMR send the new monocoque bulkhead and gearbox or heck one entire car for Honda to test on the VTT once more so that they can dictate how the PU should be integrated. Hopefully what they learned the first time testing on the VTT still applies and AMR knows what it has to do on their side to accommodate their PU. It seems they have come to understand what they needed to adjust to resolve the vibrations that reappeared as oscillations. Whether that is a map, engine timing tweaks or other counter-measures prepared on the chassis side, the issue is where the oscillations manifest. On the MGUK area or more rearward and felt through the gearbox. Either way, it is an integration issue that requires countermeasures.
They are doing a filming day after! the Pirelli tyre tests.. don't know if its before or after the summer shutdown.

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ispano6 wrote:
25 Jul 2026, 06:24
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24 Jul 2026, 23:12

Or the counter measures just don't work for the new chassis.
Or the new rear suspension doesn't work? New one caused Lance's to break. Both cars had the oscillations. If they reverted back to the old suspension and the vibrations are gone in FP2, one could surmise that there is some relationship.

For some reason Newey's response doesn't seem genuine. I think he's feeling the pressure of Stroll Sr. as his son's car almost pitched him into the wall. Stroll had a masterful save - possibly Newey's job.
neweys answers "dont seem genuine" because you are incapable of offering any view that doesnt leave AMR as some villain thats in some weird war against hondas integrity. any quote from newey or any other team member that doesnt offer complete immunity to honda from doing anything wrong is obviously a conspiracy to denigrate the whole company, and all japanese people to boot. (this is weird af)

if you think newey is feeling some kind of pressure for his job you are delusional. he feels pressure because he want to win. any pressure newey has is put on him by himself at this point in his career.