Big thanks, I don´t follow F1 news anymore for a long time. I guess it will only improve drivabily and reliability then. I´m not expecting a huge leap in performance.
Yeah, but almost any car is a spaceship compared to Williams
Lap time... Which is the important thing... Isn't it?TyreSlip wrote: ↑25 Jul 2026, 17:41This feels more like a semantics issue more than anything else. What constitutes as the quality of the car? The chassis by itself or the chassis and engine combination?Sedaxel wrote: ↑25 Jul 2026, 17:39The car has those 100hp less (or whatever they are), so until the car has all the things to be better than the Williams, the car isn't still clearly better than the Williams.
My point is that, in this qualy, in this moment, it's the closest car.
Just trying to be objective, mate.
I am the opposite. I look at the lap time plus the equivalent time loss when accounting for horsepower differences. It is why I think some of those Red Bull cars from the 2014-2020 era were better than the Mercedes when accounting for the massive horsepower difference.Sedaxel wrote: ↑25 Jul 2026, 17:43Lap time... Which is the important thing... Isn't it?TyreSlip wrote: ↑25 Jul 2026, 17:41This feels more like a semantics issue more than anything else. What constitutes as the quality of the car? The chassis by itself or the chassis and engine combination?Sedaxel wrote: ↑25 Jul 2026, 17:39
The car has those 100hp less (or whatever they are), so until the car has all the things to be better than the Williams, the car isn't still clearly better than the Williams.
My point is that, in this qualy, in this moment, it's the closest car.
Just trying to be objective, mate.
Yeah...TyreSlip wrote: ↑25 Jul 2026, 17:53I am the opposite. I look at the lap time plus the equivalent time loss when accounting for horsepower differences. It is why I think some of those Red Bull cars from the 2014-2020 era were better than the Mercedes when accounting for the massive horsepower difference.
There is a lot of work to do on the chassis yet. I think Adrian will decide to bring a few things on the current car, before switching 100% on the next one. Should be a much linear development this time, with way more time and a better understanding of pretty much everything. Providing Honda can make a significant jump in terms of performance the goal for early next year is to be top of the midfield, ideally with a significantly reduced gap to the top teams.
Your assessment is wrong when you are considering the lap times of Stroll who missed a whole FP session on a big ass package and when he messed up his final attempt. He was only 0.2s down to Alonso after first runs.Sedaxel wrote: ↑25 Jul 2026, 17:09I just point out my opinion, so I don't consider I've got to stop doing it, so kindly thank you for your suggestion. I don't think I've said anything stupid or offensive to have been warned by you.diffuser wrote: ↑25 Jul 2026, 16:47Sedaxel wrote: ↑25 Jul 2026, 16:24The car is on par to Williams, which is where Stroll is. Alo being able to put it in the fight with Haas and close to Alpine is just an Alo thing.
As sometimes We said... Alo doesn't need to have the best car to win... Just a competitive enough car that isn't excessively far from the best.
Good improvement. They're on the right way! Honda needs to deliver now.
You've got to stop making stuff like that up. Alonso's quick. He did an excellent job getting the car into the right window for qualifying and then executed some outstanding laps.
I noticed he changed his approach through the final corner on the prep lap, keeping the ICE revs unusually high. I'd assume he was harvesting and topping up the battery there before starting the push lap. He also carried noticeably more speed onto the main straight, which likely gave him a stronger run to the timing line. A few other drivers do similar things depending on their deployment strategy and energy management.
We all agree Stroll is a step behind. Tomorrow is where Alonso's real strength should show. His racecraft, tire management, and ability to manipulate the pace over a stint are among the best on the grid. We'll see if he can nail the launch, gain a position or two off the line, and then manage the tire degradation while maximizing the car's race pace.
Actually, I stand by it my post. In my opinion, the car is more or less at Williams level. If I look at the numbers, that's what Stroll laps tells us. If We consider the car is better now than Williams, then We'd be assuming that Stroll is a bad qualifier. And while I think he's not at Alo level, I don't think he's bad either.
With this upgrades, MY OPINION is that We are barely at Haas level (closer to Williams, as I said). And that's huge, taking into account where we come from.
All of this opinions, are in qualifying terms. I don't know how the race pace will be. I hope for even better improvement there.
Yeah definitely it was a different weekend different qualifying where we felt that we could uh fight a little bit more and we could influence the the final result of qualifying if we made a perfect lap or a perfect setup. So that uh yeah that u adrenaline when you close the visor and you go into into the lap uh it was missed you know in the last few events where you know we were um in in in the last row of the grid you know whatever we we we were doing on the cars. So yeah it was it was nice and uh to go back to that feeling and hopefully more to come in the next few race.
