USF1 -- F1's All-American Challenger

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xpensive wrote:When you listen to Windsor's ramblings, it's pretty obvious he simply has no clue as to what he's talking about.
"From start in an F1 car-design, you decide if you are going for maximum downforce or top-speed." Prat.
OMG did he really say that? :shock:

@ jon-mullen - you've just produced a state-of-the-art app. :)

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Pandamasque wrote:
xpensive wrote:When you listen to Windsor's ramblings, it's pretty obvious he simply has no clue as to what he's talking about.
"From start in an F1 car-design, you decide if you are going for maximum downforce or top-speed." Prat.
OMG did he really say that? :shock:

@ jon-mullen - you've just produced a state-of-the-art app. :)
I can't find any references to this.

In any case, good thing he isn't a designer, lol.
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Pandamasque wrote:
xpensive wrote:When you listen to Windsor's ramblings, it's pretty obvious he simply has no clue as to what he's talking about.
"From start in an F1 car-design, you decide if you are going for maximum downforce or top-speed." Prat.
OMG did he really say that? :shock:

@ jon-mullen - you've just produced a state-of-the-art app. :)
I think, he was invited as to the BBC commentator's box at Spa or Monza this year when he said that to xplain FI's performance. I picked it up somewhere, should have kept it, but it got stuck in my memory anyway.

I also think it's sad they will make such a mockery of US-engineering and racing, not to speak of the perception of F1 in the US. Only if it had been Roger Penske, Carl Haas or someone with a vague idea of what he's up to.
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I have to agree that a Penske-Haas team would have brought an immediate amount of credibility.

Too bad about the bashing tho... Since there are several inventions on current F1 machines that originated in the US, and now contribute to the spectacle that F1 has become.

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You guys need to lighten up a little.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAD9uD_f ... re=related

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(Deleted) Double Post, I really shouldn't be allowed to use a computer un-supervised. :roll:
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Is there a Spanish speaker out there who can do a proper translation? I found this linked on another forum. http://espndeportes.espn.go.com/news/st ... ype=column

And here's the google translation:
UNITED STATES - The Formula 1 is in the process of change. I started a couple of seasons with the technical changes and continues with the sporting regulations.

The global economic crisis has changed the landscape of the inclusion of the factories and we have increasingly less formal and more private teams.

One of the measures aimed at changing the F-1 is the entry of new teams for the 2010 season. And one of them is the USF1 based in Charlotte, with another office in Spain, where one pilot probably Argentina.

I was fortunate to speak with Peter Windsor, one of those responsible along with Ken Anderson of the new team that works tirelessly to assemble the necessary infrastructure. These are some concepts that I talk:

How is this to the team base in Charlotte?
We have done an incredible job. We started in August and today, four months later, we have a factory that operates in its entirety. Our engineering department from 25 to 34 people working full time and 34 contract. Not only have we built an operation with the ability to develop and build cars, but we need to, for example, a TV production department up and running.

Today, what is the situation with the development of self?
Our car will be built when we say that Cosworth engine is ready and so we have no date, but hopefully it's before the first race in March. The virtual development is nearing completion and we are using the time to continue working on some elements, such as diffuser.

With regard to the drivers, how close they are signing with Jose Maria Lopez?
We are close to signing the contract, although in these negotiations can never talk about dates until everything is ready and signed. Is a driver who always liked. I was impressed with what he has done in Argentina in the last three years. I met him in passing over Europe and I know much about him.

Generally, when a driver loses his chance in Formula 1 is discouraged, so I called the most attention he has achieved in Argentina during these three years. Have a great motivation to return, has miles of testing, and not 18 or 19 years but has the maturity of the 26 and is ready to prove what he can.

A few weeks ago I was with Carlos Reutemann, whom I joined a friend from the 70s in London. Carlos is very interested in the project.

What does it mean for you to have an Argentine driver for their debut season?
America has a great history and tradition in Formula 1, with big names like Andretti Gurney. Argentina has a history and passion recognized since the time of Juan Manuel Fangio, Froilan Gonzalez, Carlos Reutemann.

From that involvement with the Gurney Eagle that this seems the most appropriate, since they are two countries with a great history, united by a passion.

What says the rumors that their cars do not exceed the FIA crash test?
I've been a journalist for over 30 years and learned not to follow the rumors. Has also been talk about whether we will run with Cosworth or whether we will use another brand and the reality is that we have everything ready and signed with Cosworth.

How will the team work with two bases, one in Charlotte and one in Spain?
Formula 1 has changed considerably in recent years, especially with the limitations of testing and the short time allowed to be on track. For us the most logical is to have our central base in the U.S., but we need to have a place in Europe and it seems that Spain is the right place.

Almost all tests are performed in Spain, the weather is fantastic, the place we choose (Motorland Aragon in Alcaniz, north of the country) is in the midst of a beautiful villa will appeal to fans who want to get closer. Much better than being in England, where most of the equipment, where it rains and the weather is bad all year.

What is the relationship with YouTube and that way it will impact on the team?
Chad Hurley, one of the founders of You Tube, is one of the investors in the team. We know the vision and the ability shown by Chad and believe it can bring fresh air to the team. We're still working on details and on joint plans, but no doubt many good things to come.

We are keen to develop all aspects of New Media and weapons have indicated, even in the recent meetings with CVC, they are also working with a lot of interest in this issue.

What role will be Nic Jonsson in the team?
A Nic I have known him many years ago when he raced in Formula Asia. Your job will be to help to find and develop talent among young American drivers to take in the future. It is likely to fulfill the role as third driver. Probably will be working with us.

What are the goals in its first season?
I do not like to talk about goals in terms of results. My main job is to create a team, add talented people who have no opportunities in other teams. People who want to succeed. Make a team open to people. Our fans will be able to visit our facilities in Spain and in Charlotte. We will be an open team.

Who are likely to be the second driver of the team? We're talking with 3 pilots and hopefully for early January to have it resolved. We want riders who are fast, hungry and eager to prove. The changes in the economy have affected the way in which F1 teams operate.

Now we have different races and do not think a pilot with 10 years of experience can make a difference. I prefer, at this new system, pilots can train them and they grow with the team. And if you have miles of testing and Lopez, the better.
Particularly interesting that they haven't started to physically build the car yet because they don't have the engine from Cosworth yet. Could this be a problem for the other new teams and Williams?
However the computer (and me) may have got the wrong end of the stick, hence my search for a human translator.
Murray: "And there are flames coming from the back of Prost's car as he enters the swimming pool."
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"Can't build the car until we have the engine"? True, when a car without an engine won't be very competitive, didn't stop those idiots at Campos from building the tub though? Not to speak about Lotus, who are hiring xperienced drivers before they have an engine, what is Gascoyne thinking? :lol:
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I certainly will not beleive they will wait for delivery of the first engine from Cosworth before signing of monocoque production.
These days you get a set of cad data and of course you go from there....started of with their layout surely with a box type approach for the engine as a lot of things really are not variable with current engines.So things like interface connection rear bulkhead to engine and cooling system routing and dimensioning will surely be
something to work with rather rough modeling until you get the real lump in 3d data..

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The only thing I can imagine they might want is the precice cooling and fuel requirements, but even if Cosworth don't have real numbers yet. Surely the have simulation data?
I can't believe that the physical characteristics (Dimensions, mounting, stiffness etc.) of a block that was raced in 2006 are a mystery, And even if a bare block is unavailable, it shouldn't be too hard to knock up a substitute with one of their lovely Hass mills.

By my count, assuming 6 day weeks and Xmas and New Year's day off. There are 40 working days left before the first test in Spain. You have to admire a team who is willing to cut things so fine, just for the best data.
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Cosworth engines are going to be pretty much done and dusted already...or are they waiting for a tub to design the mounting faces onto?

I want these guys to succeed and get a car out there..but they make it hard for optimism when you read that they want a driver who has been racing domestic touring cars to race for them..

Does Lopez have a superlicence?

Come on USF1 - stop messing about..let's see something exciting from you!!
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Perhaps we should all take a step back and show some respect for Windsor and his way of doing things by the book?
First things first, engine in one corner of the workshop, roll of carbon-fibre in the other, drawings on the desk.

Only then we should begin building the car. :wink:
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xpensive wrote:Perhaps we should all take a step back and show some respect for Windsor and his way of doing things by the book?
First things first, engine in one corner of the workshop, roll of carbon-fibre in the other, drawings on the desk.

Only then we should begin building the car. :wink:
which book are you referring to? the old days are gone long time .blueprints are nothing but reference points ,but of course there are still areas where the virtual world fools you once or twice...but again at this stage theres nothing major to be designed ,maybe you start to rework and optimise but with a limited recources you also have to take into account the spares etc in addition to the complete cars to be build ...so to actually fiddle around at layout concept seems to be a bit late in the day...this is only pr blabla.they sure are ready and let us feel unsure about their progress by intention.

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This is nothing but a never-ending farce, they were supposed to have a rolling chassis by October,
then end of November, now when they get an engine?
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No, Lopez does not have a Super-License, but he does come with a personal letter of recommendation from Bernie. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfKPWkakqW8
Murray: "And there are flames coming from the back of Prost's car as he enters the swimming pool."
James: "Well, that should put them out then."