Mclaren to be Merc 'B' team?

[xpensive]

I would like to see McLaren teaming up with Mario Illien again and build an in-house manufacturing plant for 2013.

[JoeE]

Merc have been great supplying the amount of engines they do with a very high standard and that's dam great for F1.

As for McL been a b team then no, they and merc hav been very good partners over the years and I firmly believe that they are still good mates who just have different paths to go.

But come 2013 McL will be building their own in house engine. It's the next step for them now they have entered the road car business. There's even talk off them buying BMWs engine IP but that's stalled this few weeks with no news so who knows

[dave34m]

Merc have been great supplying the amount of engines they do with a very high standard and that's dam great for F1.

As for McL been a b team then no, they and merc hav been very good partners over the years and I firmly believe that they are still good mates who just have different paths to go.

But come 2013 McL will be building their own in house engine. It's the next step for them now they have entered the road car business. There's even talk off them buying BMWs engine IP but that's stalled this few weeks with no news so who knows

I agree, McLaren never have and never will be a B team. Would be great to see them build their own engine but thats not what they have been about. A great team that has helped form F1 into what it is today.

B team, dont even think it.

[vall]

Merc have been great supplying the amount of engines they do with a very high standard and that's dam great for F1.

As for McL been a b team then no, they and merc hav been very good partners over the years and I firmly believe that they are still good mates who just have different paths to go.

But come 2013 McL will be building their own in house engine. It's the next step for them now they have entered the road car business. There's even talk off them buying BMWs engine IP but that's stalled this few weeks with no news so who knows

I agree, McLaren never have and never will be a B team. Would be great to see them build their own engine but thats not what they have been about. A great team that has helped form F1 into what it is today.

B team, dont even think it.

The topic is not about ML being a B team. They are not and will never be. The topic is about Mecr having their own team now, will they play fair and provide ML with the engines as good as for MercGP or will they give them the worst-spec engines?

[axle]

Engines have to be the same or the fia would get shirty with Merc. You have to remember that each Merc engine carries a badge weak engines would embarrass them. However yes if there are 6 engines merc will pick the 2 best for their cars....but the variance will be minimal, not enough to write home about. And if it came down to FI vs Ferrari for the WCC then suddenly Merc would make damn sure the best engines were in the FI's suddenly. Point being, Merc will want to beat everyone else before it's own supplied teams.

[JoeE]

The topic is not about ML being a B team. They are not and will never be. The topic is about Mecr having their own team now, will they play fair and provide ML with the engines as good as for MercGP or will they give them the worst-spec engines?

How can you say this topic is not about ML been a b team wen it named such the way it is?

As for giving even engines, look at the performace of that engine in the 3teams they ran in 09. Wasnt much off a differance. But yes they can pick the overall best but again the differance is tiny. They wouldn't want engines going for one team all the time.

[gibells]

And I also have no idea if there is much difference between what Petronas, Shell and Mobil offer.

Sorry to go off the "B" spec topic but where does this leave Mobil? Could it be that Macca and Mobil will be united once more? I can't see Mobil being willing to let all their hard work go, or would the arrangement between Mercedes and Petronas be purely of a commercial nature? Or could it (Mobil) possibly give Macca and FI some kind of advantage over the works team?

[vall]

The topic is not about ML being a B team. They are not and will never be. The topic is about Mecr having their own team now, will they play fair and provide ML with the engines as good as for MercGP or will they give them the worst-spec engines?

How can you say this topic is not about ML been a b team wen it named such the way it is?

it is called "Mclaren to be Merc 'B' team?"

[Fil]

And I also have no idea if there is much difference between what Petronas, Shell and Mobil offer.

Sorry to go off the "B" spec topic but where does this leave Mobil? Could it be that Macca and Mobil will be united once more? I can't see Mobil being willing to let all their hard work go, or would the arrangement between Mercedes and Petronas be purely of a commercial nature? Or could it (Mobil) possibly give Macca and FI some kind of advantage over the works team?

Yeah good question. i was of the understanding that the Mobil tie-in with Mercedes in F1 extended to road-cars OEM supply too (Mercedes has definitely recommended Mobil in their dealerships in the past).
I hope someone can confirm or deny this.

It wouldn't make a lot of branding/marketing sense to run your premier race cars on Petronas, but your road-cars on Mobil..