2010 Strategies

[WhiteBlue]

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/81069?

The Sporting working group apparently wants the Q3 participants to start the race on the qualifying tyres. This brings an element of strategy back into qualifying but it could also take away from the purity of pole position.

Depending on the chassis/tyre synergy teams could opt for either uncompromised qualifying or uncompromised race pace. The logic would suggest that qualifying will be faster on a soft tyre. But the soft tyre will be the less suitable for the first stint when the car is still fuel heavy.

I'm of two minds in the question because I like the idea of naked performance exibition in qualifying. On the other hand we probably get different race strategies with more passing the way they try it now.

[Callum]

Once again we may not find out who is the fastest person in the fastest car.

Surely the new tyre idea is very similar to the old fuel scheme.

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Heavy fuel in qually => slower qually time BUT improved race strategy.

Hard tyres in qually => slower qually time BUT improved race strategy.

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Light fuel in qually => pit early in race to re-fuel.

Soft tyres in qually => pit early in race to change tyres.

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Am i making sense?

[donskar]

The new qualifying regs -- must start race on same type of tires as used to qualify -- might create a little interest. But this artificial attempt to generate a "better show" just highlights (IMHO) the real issue besetting F1 -- shortage of passing and close racing relative to other popular forms of auto racing.

I think most of us will agree that the real solutions are:
1) a re-think of aero regs to allow cars to run closer together
2) track design to allow more passing opportunities.

BTW: must the top qualifiers start on the SAME tires used to qualify OR the same TYPE of tire?

[DaveKillens]

All cars will be refueled after Q3, the rules have yet to be fully updated, as they are still being decided upon by FOTA.

Thank you, this was something I was fuzzy on.

Like WB, I appreciate having the cars in qualifying trim be at the peak of their performance potential (soft tires, low fuel). One of my fondest memories is watching Montoya rip up Monza in qualifying in 2005.

For pit stops, the teams cannot used powered devices, it all has to be done with brute manpower. I wonder if a jack that is manually pre-tensioned is considered exempt from consideration?

I doubt if we will see cars run out of gas, more like what happened to Massa at Spain, where he had to go into maximum fuel-saving mode, and spent the last laps circulating at a pathetic pace.

But make no mistake, starting on the lowest fuel level possible is critical. We have all heard that a certain amount of added weight costs a certain amount of time. But to carry just one kilo more than your direct competitor is disastrous, because for each and every lap of the race, that extra weight loses a small amount of time. Maybe just 0.1 second, but when you add it up over 60 laps... that's 6 seconds.

[Pandamasque]

For pit stops, the teams cannot used powered devices, it all has to be done with brute manpower.

What? I missed that bit of news. Does that mean they'd have to use spanners to change tyres?! What about Williams boasting all over twitter about their sub 3 second stops?

[WhiteBlue]

For pit stops, the teams cannot used powered devices, it all has to be done with brute manpower.

What? I missed that bit of news. Does that mean they'd have to use spanners to change tyres?! What about Williams boasting all over twitter about their sub 3 second stops?

No, I think somebody has mixed something up. For ride height adjustments you cannot use powered devices. Everything else at pitstops remain the same except the wheel fairings, they are gone as well.

[sticky667]

hydraulic isn't "powered", technically.

[WhiteBlue]

hydraulic isn't "powered", technically.

I must say that is a very surprising statement. Of all the conventional power actuators hydraulics are the most powerful. Neither pneumatics nor electromagnetic actuators have the power density of hydraulics. On top you can deliver power to distributed linear motions in a very economical way with hydraulics.

[DaveKillens]

For pit stops, the teams cannot used powered devices, it all has to be done with brute manpower.

What? I missed that bit of news. Does that mean they'd have to use spanners to change tyres?! What about Williams boasting all over twitter about their sub 3 second stops?

My error in confusion. I was referring to the devices to raise and lower the car while engaged in tire changes.

[sticky667]

hydraulic isn't "powered", technically.

I must say that is a very surprising statement. Of all the conventional power actuators hydraulics are the most powerful. Neither pneumatics nor electromagnetic actuators have the power density of hydraulics. On top you can deliver power to distributed linear motions in a very economical way with hydraulics.

the regs don't state what type of power do they? I was referring to electrical power.

[Pandamasque]

I was referring to the devices to raise and lower the car while engaged in tire changes.

I thought those were manual anyway.

[DaveKillens]

I distinctly recall seeing the front jack man with a dolly that raised the nose via pneumatics. A few years ago, and I just can't find any decent pictures to illustrate this.

I also believe that this requirement was a response to the CART style jacks built into the car that raised it when a pressurized air source was connected to it. F1 rule makers don't want to world to believe that they copy or follow what anyone is doing.

[freedom_honda]

Formula one is just getting more and more ridiculous.
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/81069

[WhiteBlue]

Formula one is just getting more and more ridiculous.
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/81069

look 11 posts above and you see that the same has been posted already.

[Fil]

Formula one is just getting more and more ridiculous.
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/81069

look 11 posts above and you see that the same has been posted already.

which was already discussed 8 posts before that.