F1 Quiz Chain

[Roland Ehnström]

Next question please!

[WhiteBlue]

Next question please!

It is timbo's turn unless RDJEHV wants to do the honors. If the doesn't come back soon someone with a worthy question and eager to go should take over.

[timbo]

Well, here it is.
What is the race, that lasted a full race distance, but was won not on actual race-track (a road bordered with white lines) and not by appeal or something like that. Although the was a dispute over result.

[WhiteBlue]

1998 British GP won in the pit lane by Schumacher.

Two laps from the finish of the 1998 British Grand Prix, Michael Schumacher was leading the race when he was issued a stop-and-go penalty for overtaking a lapped car (Alexander Wurz) during the early moments of a Safety Car period. This penalty should have involved going into the pit lane and stopping for 10 seconds. But as the penalty was given with fewer than 12 laps remaining, and since it was issued as a handwritten note, the Ferrari team was confused[citation needed] as to whether the penalty was a stop and go penalty or merely a penalty of 10 seconds to be added to Schumacher's race time. The rules state that a driver must serve his penalty within three laps of the penalty being issued, and on the third lap after receiving the penalty, Schumacher turned into the pit lane to serve his penalty. However, this was the last lap of the race, and as Ferrari's pit box was located after the start/finish line, Schumacher technically finished the race before serving the penalty. The stewards initially resolved that problem by adding 10 seconds to Schumacher's race time, then later rescinded the penalty completely due to the irregularities in how the penalty had been issued.

[timbo]

1998 British GP won in the pit lane by Schumacher.

Yeah...
I thought that would be an interesting question but came out too easy (at least for you, WhiteBlue =D> ).
Your turn!

[WhiteBlue]

Let's look into the the safety work around F1 some more. We are looking for two compatriot drivers who both drove for the same team when they got involved in highly publicised accidents. Our two drivers had overlapping career seasons but never drove as team mates. As a result of the first driver's accident Formula 1 safety measures were improved to a point that the second driver's life was almost certainly saved by those improvements.

Name the team, the races, the drivers and at least two substantial safety measures or rule changes that were triggered by each accident.

[WhiteBlue]

A first hint: The accidents were triggered by suspension/wing failure.

[tk421]

well hate to say it, but i know everything except the safety aspects which is what you wanted to focus on. didn't need the hint about the rest though
i'll list the other things, whoever can get the safety changes can ask the next question.

mclaren, mika adelaide practice 1995 tire failure, kimi hockenheim race 2004 rear wing departure.

[WhiteBlue]

That was a good effort tk421 but I really meant suspension and wing failures. I do not include tyres in suspension.

Next hint is fire which provided the spectacular nature of the accidents. Hence I mentioned highly publicised accidents. You can still find those crashes on Youtube.

[CMSMJ1]

We are talking Niki Lauda at the 'ring in 1976 - crashed and burned.

Also, Gerhard Berger, crashed at Imola and burned in 1989?

safety improvements included secure airline and also (at a guess) bag tanks and better fuel cut off/fire suppression equipment?

[WhiteBlue]

Well done CMSMJ1!



The first driver was Austrian triple F1 champ Niki Lauda (the Rat) on the 1976 Ferrari 312T2 with a flat 12 cylinder engine at the Nordschleife. A week before the 1976 German Grand Prix at the fearsome Nürburgring Nordschleife (even though he was the fastest driver on the circuit at that time), Lauda tried to boycott the circuit, largely due to the safety arrangements. Most of the other drivers voted against it and the race went ahead. On the second lap at the very fast left kink before Bergwerk, Lauda's Ferrari 312 T2 swerved off the track, due to a suspected rear suspension failure, hit an embankment and rolled back into the path of Brett Lunger's Surtees-Ford car. Lauda's Ferrari burst into flames, but, unlike Lunger, he was trapped in the wreckage. Drivers Arturo Merzario, Guy Edwards and Harald Ertl arrived at the scene a few moments later and together with Lunger they pulled Lauda from his car to save his life. Lauda suffered severe burns to the face and lost an ear. Toxic fumes damaged his lungs and kidneys.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gp2i5-hfgok[/youtube]

The safety improvements were obviously the ban of the Nordschleife, tracks with marshals, trackside medical emergency services, fire fighting teams and the introduction of on board fire extinguishers.



A comprehensive list of FiA F1 safety innovations is linked here.

The second driver was fellow Austrian winner of 10 GPs Gerhard Berger in the 1989 Ferrari 640 with a 3,5 L V12 engine.



The Ferrari was fast thanks in part to its revolutionary semi-automatic Barnard gearbox design but still fragile for a carbon composite chassis. Ferrari were the last of the leading F1 teams to introduce the technology. Gerhard was lucky to escape alive from a fiery crash during the 1989 San Marino Grand Prix . The accident was triggered by a front wing failure at Imola's notorious Tamburello corner which until 1995 had not been protected by a chicane. Behind the Tamburello corner was a concrete wall and a creek which had prevented a sand or gravel trap and the corner was approached at 180 mph.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rd8q5HoBzOA[/youtube]

Amazingly it took only 16 seconds for a rescue crew to reach the blazing Ferrari and put the fire out. Berger suffered remarkably few injuries, notably burns to his hands. The crash triggered among others the TF5 fuel cell specification and mandatory driver extrication procedures and exercises.

[tk421]

white blue, ship a dunce cap over to me please!

well played CM =D>

[WhiteBlue]

white blue, ship a dunce cap over to me please!

well played CM =D>

You did very well, but I couldn't mention fire initially without the riddle been solved in 5 minutes.

Nevertheless your solution had much merit. If CMSMJ1 doesn't give us the next riddle I propose you to take the honors.

[CMSMJ1]

My initial thoughts were the Finnish contingent so it was a bonus that I had too much work on to start researching the answers..

I'm off a call in a few minutes...so I'll pop question up asap =D>

Good question that one WB

[CMSMJ1]

Righty ho..

I am not a super riddle merchant and so I'll go for a fairly simple one as I like to see these tick along.

"What does the Japanese debut in F1 have in common with an Italian Bull"

Should be a goer..a few hints are available but I think you clever people would have this in no time.