Mclaren Mercedes MP4-25

[imightbewrong]

is this really enough to make it legal?

[gibells]

I commented on the Merc one saying that it had to be too big and looked like it had not changed. Mac's one is different though, because it was a slit before.

Both teams must have been given a maximum size by the FIA because they've both got holes about the same size.

[feynman]

Anyone seen a press-release regarding the new cockpit-side sticker?



... used to be a red vodafone logo, now Maximum something-or-other.


and yes ringo, always a treat to see McLaren's healthy disregard for the banal tyranny of symmetry:

Launch spec outlet on the right (our right), Barcelona/Bahrain on the left.

[kalinka]

Hah ! Interesting to see that assymetric outlets. I was thinking until this, that they scrapped these things for 2010, and then..there you go...
Must be some clear advantage to use it, because it's not a simpliest thing to do on the manufactruing side for sure.

[forty-two]

Better picture

Looks like McLaren have opted to run the outboard version of the mirrors, at least in P1 and P2.

I find this an interesting development, particularly after Martin Brundle has been somewhat disapproving of this kind of mirror (in terms of their function as a mirror at least).

[ringo]

Hah ! Interesting to see that assymetric outlets. I was thinking until this, that they scrapped these things for 2010, and then..there you go...
Must be some clear advantage to use it, because it's not a simpliest thing to do on the manufactruing side for sure.

Could it be a display of equality for both drivers? They probably wanted to test each cover, but didn't want to give 1 driver the cover that was suspected to be the weakest.
This half half thing could also be useful in that it is a more controlled test. If load cells are on the left and right of the car, maybe they can directly see which half of the car is working better at that exact moment? There is also no ambiguity with driver skills when 1 driver has one part and the other driver is testing the other part, they get to know how the part affects all drivers.
Let's see if the cover is symmetrical in qualifying, assuming they don't have to do an inspection again because the panels are basically the same, just 2 of the same halves for the race.

[thestig84]

Hah ! Interesting to see that assymetric outlets. I was thinking until this, that they scrapped these things for 2010, and then..there you go...
Must be some clear advantage to use it, because it's not a simpliest thing to do on the manufactruing side for sure.

Could it be a display of equality for both drivers? They probably wanted to test each cover, but didn't want to give 1 driver the cover that was suspected to be the weakest.
This half half thing could also be useful in that it is a more controlled test. If load cells are on the left and right of the car, maybe they can directly see which half of the car is working better at that exact moment? There is also no ambiguity with driver skills when 1 driver has one part and the other driver is testing the other part, they get to know how the part affects all drivers.
Let's see if the cover is symmetrical in qualifying, assuming they don't have to do an inspection again because the panels are basically the same, just 2 of the same halves for the race.

I would say...no! Pretty impossible. I would think it will be like the 24, one side will be water or a particular system that requires more cooling. As unexciting as that.

[bonjon1979]

Since it seems to be confirmed that Red Bull and Ferrari both have ride height adjusters. How long do people think it'll take mclaren to come up with a similar solution?

[horse]

Since it seems to be confirmed that Red Bull and Ferrari both have ride height adjusters.

Missed that, when was it confirmed?

[thestig84]

Since it seems to be confirmed that Red Bull and Ferrari both have ride height adjusters.

Missed that, when was it confirmed?

James Allen seems fairly convinced http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2010/03/m ... ech-ideas/

[horse]

James Allen seems fairly convinced http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2010/03/m ... ech-ideas/

Ok, thanks. Lots of stealthy technology this year isn't there?!? He also said stalling wing was giving McLaren 0.4 sec a lap at Bahrain so the car must have been an awful dog without that advantage.

[segedunum]

Have a glance at the RB6 thread. There was a long smoke-and-mirrors debate on how Red Bull might be achieving ride height adjustment (completely subjective and based on observations of the height during the race, at the end and in parc ferme) and there is also a picture of Adrian Newey staring long and hard at the side of the Ferrari. The manual ride height adjustment of the Ferrari is easy to spot.

It all seems to tally, and it's no secret that ride height adjustment will be important this year.

[segedunum]

Ok, thanks. Lots of stealthy technology this year isn't there?!? He also said stalling wing was giving McLaren 0.4 sec a lap at Bahrain so the car must have been an awful dog without that advantage.

The only question I would have about that is have they been able to achieve that without compromising the downforce of the rear wing too much? I also still question the ducting and packaging required for the system, but we'll see what happens if and when other teams start rolling it out.

I'll be interested to see how they go. I don't think their lack of downforce has gone away, but Melbourne is a peculiar circuit where a bias towards a straight line speed advantage can pay dividends. If they can gain time there on competitors whilst not having to work the car too hard in the corners then they have a definite advantage in the race.

I just hope we can possibly get at least three cars from three different teams in the same camera shot for most of the race. [-o<

[ringo]

Have a glance at the RB6 thread. There was a long smoke-and-mirrors debate on how Red Bull might be achieving ride height adjustment (completely subjective and based on observations of the height during the race, at the end and in parc ferme) and there is also a picture of Adrian Newey staring long and hard at the side of the Ferrari. The manual ride height adjustment of the Ferrari is easy to spot.

It all seems to tally, and it's no secret that ride height adjustment will be important this year.

Do you have any more info on this? It wasn't discussed in the Ferrari f10 thread.

[forty-two]

Have a glance at the RB6 thread. There was a long smoke-and-mirrors debate on how Red Bull might be achieving ride height adjustment (completely subjective and based on observations of the height during the race, at the end and in parc ferme) and there is also a picture of Adrian Newey staring long and hard at the side of the Ferrari. The manual ride height adjustment of the Ferrari is easy to spot.

It all seems to tally, and it's no secret that ride height adjustment will be important this year.

Do you have any more info on this? It wasn't discussed in the Ferrari f10 thread.

As the developments on the MP4/25 warranted a seperate "Reducing the drag of a two element wing through stall" thread in the Aero forum into which comments about the McLaren, Sauber and now FIF1 can all be placed without going off topic, perhaps a similar "2010 Ride Height Adjustment" thread should be created. That way, all the discussion about the RB and the Ferrari and any others which appear could be located in one place?

Just my tuppence!