McLaren - A picture of harmony

[Mr Alcatraz]

Its not always gonna be smooth and Lewis knows that. He's still young,he's got to learn more from his difficulties he's gonna get more expierienced and i would say encouragement and support is better than criticism in these cases

I think that is MW's point. He's had support for 10 years and it has not helped him cope on his own with life’s little difficulties. He's said McL' made the mistake in the way they prepared him on a social, and independent level. His talent is extremely high. But, and I said this in 2008 I don't see the guy continuing to improve that much more just because he's young. And his best year by far was 2007.
But that is not a reason for people on this or any other forum to slag him. But then again none of the drivers actually care if fans boo them. To get the respect of your fellow drivers, and most importantly to produce is their area of focus. Whitmarsh didn't even slag him in the least. He had an opinion about the way they handled him. And an implication that they were at fault for doing for him things they should have let his own values mould.

[mx_tifoso]

Could an admin please incorporate this thread into the "McLaren - A picture of harmony" thread?

Done. The thread about Whitmarsh's comments about Hamilton has been merged into this one.

[PlatinumZealot]

Its not always gonna be smooth and Lewis knows that. He's still young,he's got to learn more from his difficulties he's gonna get more expierienced and i would say encouragement and support is better than criticism in these cases

I think that is MW's point. He's had support for 10 years and it has not helped him cope on his own with life’s little difficulties. He's said McL' made the mistake in the way they prepared him on a social, and independent level. His talent is extremely high. But, and I said this in 2008 I don't see the guy continuing to improve that much more just because he's young. And his best year by far was 2007.
But that is not a reason for people on this or any other forum to slag him. But then again none of the drivers actually care if fans boo them. To get the respect of your fellow drivers, and most importantly to produce is their area of focus. Whitmarsh didn't even slag him in the least. He had an opinion about the way they handled him. And an implication that they were at fault for doing for him things they should have let his own values mould.

He coped with them quite well, these imaginary "difficulties" the media has conjured up. I don't see any major difficulties. The only difficult life decision Hamilton has ever really made was to Listen to the Liar called Dave Ryan and I can't really think of anymore. Whitmarsh is just trying to give the Boss a weakness.

[ringo]

The team continues to mess up.
Mclaren needs to learn from the past. They mess up last week, now this? aye aye aye!

Pit:"Lewis it's forecast this will stop fairly soon and there's not much on the radar after that."

what kind of forecast are they reading?

HAM:"Should dry quite quickly then."

lewis wanting to trust the team's expertise here^ , poor chap.

0856:The radar shows the heaviest rain passing to the north of the circuit. There's no more rain immediately following it.

must be a pre war submarine radar they got there.

HAM:"Wow it's seriously wet out there."

Lewis giving a hint that the engineers may be wrong, sounds like he is worried here.
But hey, tyre blankets on, computer screen's on the car, can't just burst out of the pits on his own so he hopes they're right.
Team 100% wrong again.

[Mr Alcatraz]

Its not always gonna be smooth and Lewis knows that. He's still young,he's got to learn more from his difficulties he's gonna get more expierienced and i would say encouragement and support is better than criticism in these cases

I think that is MW's point. He's had support for 10 years and it has not helped him cope on his own with life’s little difficulties. He's said McL' made the mistake in the way they prepared him on a social, and independent level. His talent is extremely high. But, and I said this in 2008 I don't see the guy continuing to improve that much more just because he's young. And his best year by far was 2007.
But that is not a reason for people on this or any other forum to slag him. But then again none of the drivers actually care if fans boo them. To get the respect of your fellow drivers, and most importantly to produce is their area of focus. Whitmarsh didn't even slag him in the least. He had an opinion about the way they handled him. And an implication that they were at fault for doing for him things they should have let his own values mould.

He coped with them quite well, these imaginary "difficulties" the media has conjured up. I don't see any major difficulties. The only difficult life decision Hamilton has ever really made was to Listen to the Liar called Dave Ryan and I can't really think of anymore. Whitmarsh is just trying to give the Boss a weakness.

coping with imaginary embellished stories is a little difficulty celebs have todeal with. Unfortunately he always followed the company line. We are agreeing as is MW that they should have let him learn this craft himself! And to be fair to "The Boss" Pops was probably telling him to do exactly as these mentors said! It's only a big deal if you believe any of the tabloid horseshit
Please don't mistake me for someone who gives a --- about what anyone here or anywhere else, thinks of me!

[rfs]

Pit: "Well done Jenson, that's P8. That was the drive of a world champion."

Pit: "Well done Lewis, P6."

[Poleman]

Pit: "Well done Jenson, that's P8. That was the drive of a world champion."

Pit: "Well done Lewis, P6."

1)ΝΟΤ!

2)P6 Lewis,well done indeed... =D>

[ringo]

tyre care tyre care.

Well done to both drivers. The team must not have liked lewis passing their new baby Button 2 times in the race.
2 different races here again. One hard fought and one fought with cunning shortcuts.
I am starting to see where Button is using 2009 pit stop pass tactics very well. He would have end up back behind the 2 ferraris again anyway but it shows that he has a good overview of what occurs in the race.
Hamilton is the opposite, he doesn't depend on shortcuts and rather stay out and fight. He is not as confident in taking gambles like Button.
The team did a good job combining these 2 different styles so that one is not more favoured than the other. Lewis is fire, Jenson is Ice.

Anyway, we see what we are dealing with here when it comes to tyre care. It's a myth that Hamilton cannot take care of them and a myth Button can take softs for 20 laps more than any other, when he was struggling with hards for only 20 laps. Hamilton did a better hard tyre stint than Button with a heavier car at that.
Though to be fair Jenson's car setup was not ideal and he's not used to the mid pack brawling with cars of similar performance as Lewis.

[segedunum]

tyre care tyre care.

Yer I know. Lewis opened up rather a large gap between himself, Button, Massa and Alonso only for it not to count for very much by the end of the race. Brundle rather wisely pointed that out in commentary. He then started complaining again when he couldn't get past Sutil, draining the life out of his tyres again. He can't calm himself down. That's what things are like under these new rules, and it seems as though some people around here still can't get it.

Extrapolate that over a season. The evidence was still there today.

Starting on the hards was the mistake for Button, and for Ferrari. It doesn't prove what a lot of people want it to desperately prove. Keeping those tyres together at the end whilst fending people off was very good piece of controlled driving by Button, if something that wouldn't have been noticed very much.

[thestig84]

Starting on the hards was the mistake for Button, and for Ferrari. It doesn't prove what a lot of people want it to desperately prove. Keeping those tyres together at the end whilst fending people off was very good piece of controlled driving by Button, if something that wouldn't have been noticed very much.

He started on the softs?! Ferrari started on the hards which was probably the best thing to do.

[ringo]

tyre care tyre care.

Yer I know. Lewis opened up rather a large gap between himself, Button, Massa and Alonso only for it not to count for very much by the end of the race. Brundle rather wisely pointed that out in commentary. He then started complaining again when he couldn't get past Sutil, draining the life out of his tyres again. He can't calm himself down. That's what things are like under these new rules, and it seems as though some people around here still can't get it.

Extrapolate that over a season. The evidence was still there today.

Starting on the hards was the mistake for Button, and for Ferrari. It doesn't prove what a lot of people want it to desperately prove. Keeping those tyres together at the end whilst fending people off was very good piece of controlled driving by Button, if something that wouldn't have been noticed very much.

The plan was to go on one tyre till the rain came at about 25 laps i think. Hamilton could have come in earlier, but the team were not sure of the rain. The rain was the big question mark, any other track with clear weather and the team would have brought him in when he was clearly more than 25 seconds clear of button. They were effectively wasting his progress everylap they looked out for rain. The same thing happened to Alonso in the ferrari, the team begged him to hold on a little longer.

About Sutil/Lewis, he was not complaining. He was informing the team about the FI. Good data for China's back stretch.

What's more he made better use of both tyres. Button should not have been lagging behind on the options unable to pass an STR.

Tyre care is effective but it can't always beat raw speed and decisive passing especially when track position is so important. This will be clear next 2 weeks when Mclaren wont hold out on pitstops because of impending rain.

Button never stood a chance in a head to head, but he did good using his brains to catalyze his race. We will see more of this Hamilton domination, as long as the races are straight forward. Button will be fighting harder as well and will find new indirect methods to come out in the lead.

[thestig84]

+1 Agree with you there. Especially with Lewis not complaining about Sutil. Just a calm explanation for not being able to get past, for all we know to help the team make a decision to perhaps turn down the revs and not risk it.

Good drives by both drivers though. Looking forward to a straight fight between all the big guns in China.

[audifan]

starting on the softs was clearly a bad strategic error for button
but he put his hand up and said that was his choice as well , so no hissy fit like lewis last week
button also picked the wrong side to overtake off the start ...normally the best thing but not this time as he got shut out

feet of clay ? no , that's the charm of motor racing

lewis the otherside , and a path opened in front of him like the parting of the red sea as people pulled to button's side [ great racecraft by massa to spot it and jump in behind ]

[horse]

It was interesting to see a definite gap in setups between the two drivers this weekend. Hamilton seemed to think he had a very good car under him whereas Button didn't get it right at all. I think this shows a couple of things, firstly that they can not benefit too much from eachothers setups or Button would have gone onto Hamilton's. Which leads onto the second point that the much talked about "style differential" is truly there and that the characteristics of the car were in Hamilton's favour this weekend.

I think the tough thing for Button is that Hamilton is, in general, a lot less fussy about the balance of the car, so Button may not have too many weekends where the setup is good enough to allow him to compete in terms of raw pace. Mind you, he is making some of that up with some intelligent strategy when the car is not as much too his liking.

[PlatinumZealot]

Just like when he was at Brawn. He needs the car to be set up perfect.