Which F1 races to be dropped? Part2

[WhiteBlue]

This is part 2 of a poll. You can click as many races as you want to skip. Because we can only have 10 options per poll there is also part 1

Part 2
German Grand Prix, Hockenheimring / Nürburgring
Hungarian Grand Prix, Hungaroring
Belgian Grand Prix, Spa-Francorchamps
Italian Grand Prix, Monza
Singapore Grand Prix, Singapore
Japanese Grand Prix, Suzuka
Korean Grand Prix, Jeonnam
Brazilian Grand Prix, Interlagos
Abu Dhabi Grand Prix, Yas Island

Part 1 is voted in another thread.

Make sure you also vote there!

[Miguel]

I'm giving Abu Dhabi the benefit of the doubt, but I have no mercy with Singapore. The track sucks. Bernie's obsession with modern urban circuits sucks. And the two races there have sucked. Actually, the most entertaining stuff we've got from Singapore has been the Briatore conspiracy saga.

I've also voted Hungary. I'm sure it's a great track to drive, and sector 2 is pretty good but it may be better to try the new circuit they are building in Hungary... if it's actually ready by 2012 (it was supposed to hold a MotoGP event this year, but it's been cancelled).

From the other circuits, we know nothing about Korea, Germany has a strong motor history and the other tracks have a disctinct flavour.

[forty-two]

I don't understand why anyone would vote for Korea? We don't know how good it might be.

I understand of course that if recent form is anything to go by, some of Tilke's tracks do tend to make for dull racing (oops, did Tilke actually design the circuit in Korea?)

[WhiteBlue]

It is done by Tilke!

The most notable characteristic of the Jeonnam Circuit is the fact that it has been designed as two inter-changable tracks; the F1 track (5.6km) and the permanent track (3.04km).

During ordinary occasions, such as domestic automobile races or motorcycle races, the northern part of the circuit (3.045km, in the shape of a hat) will be used. But during international motor-sport events, such as the F1 Grand Prix, an elongated track (heading towards Yeongam Lake) will also be utilized, extending the total length to 5.6km. In the past, several circuits within the country have made short-courses by temporarily blocking certain track areas.

But the Jeonnam Circuit is the first course to actually be designed as a dual-structure from the beginning. The Motegi Twin Ring Circuit of Japan has also attempted to combine an “oval course” with a different “general course”, but the Jeonnam Circuit is the first track in the world to have combined 2 different F1-standard-sized courses.

Another characteristic of the Jeonnam Circuit is its racing direction: counterclockwise. Only 2 of the 17 circuits listed on the 2007 F1 Calender (Turkey and Brazil), have been designed in this manner. The Jeonnam Circuit would be the only counterclockwise track located in Asia. Since most drivers are used to clockwise-direction tracks, the Jeonnam Circuit will serve as a unique, but challenging, experience for the world’s best racers.

The Jeonnam Circuit also has two separate sets of pits and paddocks (a facility used for storing and inspecting race cars) for the general track and the F1 track, respectively. This is an unprecedented feature in the world. By having 2 different pit facilities, the Jeonnam Circuit is able to offer sufficient space for other “support races”, which are also held during the F1 Grand Prix period. In addition, the 2 pits will allow larger parking room for the F1 race cars.

The Jeonnam Circuit has combined all the strong points of other famous tracks, such as Monaco and Indianapolis. The marina section, which is located in the southern part of the F1 track, offers breathtaking views of the nearby ocean. The Jeonnam Circuit will become the first permanent track in the history of F1, to have the ocean in the background. Within the marina section, a radial-shaped town (closely resembling Monte Carlo of the Monaco Grand Prix) will be constructed. This region will be developed into the greatest motor-sports cluster of the East.

Pretty revealing that people vote it down without a single look at it.

[hecti]

i voted for korea, i spent an hour finding info and stats and after my search i was like, "...hmmmm, fail..."

i dont like where f1 is going, i want the A1 ring, the old hockenhiem, Magny-Cours, even san marino.

I am hugely against this movement away from the traditional f1 tracks, and i hate bernie's lust for money, which is why we keep going to random places like china where ticket demad dropped by a lot, the whole grandstand by the banked corner before the long strait is covered in adverts cause nobody was buying tickets, same for turkey, although i do like the track it turned into a failed experiment.

also all of the tilkerings have a strait thats way too long, its really silly...

those are just my thoughts...

[Pup]

It is done by Tilke!

The most notable characteristic of the Jeonnam Circuit is the fact that it has been designed as two inter-changable tracks; the F1 track (5.6km) and the permanent track (3.04km).

During ordinary occasions, such as domestic automobile races or motorcycle races, the northern part of the circuit (3.045km, in the shape of a hat) will be used. But during international motor-sport events, such as the F1 Grand Prix, an elongated track (heading towards Yeongam Lake) will also be utilized, extending the total length to 5.6km. In the past, several circuits within the country have made short-courses by temporarily blocking certain track areas.

But the Jeonnam Circuit is the first course to actually be designed as a dual-structure from the beginning. The Motegi Twin Ring Circuit of Japan has also attempted to combine an “oval course” with a different “general course”, but the Jeonnam Circuit is the first track in the world to have combined 2 different F1-standard-sized courses.

Another characteristic of the Jeonnam Circuit is its racing direction: counterclockwise. Only 2 of the 17 circuits listed on the 2007 F1 Calender (Turkey and Brazil), have been designed in this manner. The Jeonnam Circuit would be the only counterclockwise track located in Asia. Since most drivers are used to clockwise-direction tracks, the Jeonnam Circuit will serve as a unique, but challenging, experience for the world’s best racers.

The Jeonnam Circuit also has two separate sets of pits and paddocks (a facility used for storing and inspecting race cars) for the general track and the F1 track, respectively. This is an unprecedented feature in the world. By having 2 different pit facilities, the Jeonnam Circuit is able to offer sufficient space for other “support races”, which are also held during the F1 Grand Prix period. In addition, the 2 pits will allow larger parking room for the F1 race cars.

The Jeonnam Circuit has combined all the strong points of other famous tracks, such as Monaco and Indianapolis. The marina section, which is located in the southern part of the F1 track, offers breathtaking views of the nearby ocean. The Jeonnam Circuit will become the first permanent track in the history of F1, to have the ocean in the background. Within the marina section, a radial-shaped town (closely resembling Monte Carlo of the Monaco Grand Prix) will be constructed. This region will be developed into the greatest motor-sports cluster of the East.

Pretty revealing that people vote it down without a single look at it.

Why, it's exactly like Monaco. I can see it.

[WhiteBlue]

Pretty revealing that people vote it down without a single look at it.

Why, it's exactly like Monaco. I can see it.[/quote]

Monaco with real straits and crash zones.

[Gary]

Monaco with real straits and crash zones.

Yes, and those straits might well be dire.

[Pup]

Pretty revealing that people vote it down without a single look at it.

Why, it's exactly like Monaco. I can see it.

Monaco with real straits and crash zones. [/quote]

And no history. Why do we enjoy Monaco?

[ESPImperium]

I cannot wait till the new F1 2010 game comes out, as belive it or not, its gonna have Korea in it before any race has offically been held on it.

Im giving it its time, like Abu Dhabi. The one track i cant wait to see is the new Indian one.

[WhiteBlue]

...The one track i cant wait to see is the new Indian one.

Fyi, the India track has elevation changes of 20 m. That compares to 46 m at Istanbul Park which is regarded as the best of the artificial circuits right behind the natural road based Spa Francorchamps with 100 m.

[jon-mullen]

Hey, Bernie!

Just writing to remind you we're still here, we still have the world's highest GDP and a number of historic tracks. And, you know, whatever your feelings about Imperialism and Containment, we're still the reason there exists a South Korea to hold your hypothetical Grand Prix.

OK, we'll see you in Canada. You'll recognize us because we'll probably be most of the people there.

[Giblet]

Tracks are designed for the cars. The cars used to be designed for the tracks.

[hecti]

Tracks are designed for the cars. The cars used to be designed for the tracks.

I like this

[Gary]

jon-mullen, the problem the septuagenarian midget has with the USA is that it is a democracy where race tracks are owned and run by people and corporations who need to turn a profit or they go under... not by royal families, potentates or politicians with the ability to ride roughshod over the wishes of the hoi polloi. And it is only these people who don't flinch at satisfying Ecclestone's outrageous demands for money.

The fans who turn up at the races are quite unimportant, of course.

The fans who watch on television are a bit more important which is why Australian race fans get to watch their Grand Prix as the sun sets in the west so that the European broadcast audience (read, income) is optimised.

But I'd like to turn a little heat on FOTA. They're happy to get rich on the back on Ecclestone's money grabbing ways and their members do, now and then, lament what a shame it is that their sponsors and engines suppliers don't get to strut their stuff in such an important market as the USA.

Bit of hypocrisy here, maybe???

Here's a thought. How about the gentlemen of FOTA rise up (no pun intended!) and demonstrate that they actually still have fully operating testicles by telling Ecclestone in clear language that he'd better get a Grand Prix, no, two, one east and one west like there used to be, in the USA at a price that actually allows US race promoters to stay in business, or they'll boycott the next running of either Bahrain, Abu Dhabi, Singapore, Korea or China by the democratic method of pulling names out of a hat.

EDIT. In writing this (should that be ranting this?) it has occurred to me that seeing or knowing that there are grandstands devoid of people or with schoolkids or members of the army drafted in as an unpaid rentacrowd is something that really dampens the viewing experience for me. I know, I just damn well know that if there were a couple of USGPs the stands would be full of genuine fans and that would mean something to me just as it means something to see Monza and Silverstone packed to the rafters.

Rant Mk2 over!