Tracking of engine use - 2010

[manchild]

Correct. Alonso has 7 left. Massa 8.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NrecCqAPfPw[/youtube]

[mx_tifoso]

Am I wrong in that Alonso has 7 active engines from which to rotate through going into the Chinese GP?

And Massa has all 8 engines to rotate from as well??

Albeit some at a limited capacity.

Please correct me if I'm wrong. I won't mind.

[raymondu999]

So all in all, Massa has 8, 7 usable in race. Alonso has 7, 6 usable in race, correct?

Everyone else who hasn't blown an engine has about 8, with all 8 usable in races? Actually was Vettel's Bahrain problem fixable? Can he use that engine again?

[rjsa]

Um that's an oddly worded series of questions. But Alonso's race engine from Bahrain is out as it failed in Malaysia. The engines were replaced after qualy in Bahrain. I don't have stats for each engine and each session and GP that they participated in though.

And the reason why I said that the first set of Bahrain engines can't be used for races is because they overheated and shouldn't be trusted in race conditions where points are at risk. The overheating plus the mileage accrued relegates them to FP's and possibly qualy.

IMO.

28.4 e) If an engine is changed in accordance with Article 34.1 the engine which was replaced may not be used during any future qualifying session or race with the exception of the last Event of the Championship.


34.1 Each car will be deemed to be in parc fermé from the time at which it leaves the pit lane for the first time during qualifying practice until the start of the race. Any car which fails to leave the pit lane during qualifying practice will be deemed to be in parc fermé at the end of Q1.

The engine cannot be used in qual or race by rule. They could have inspected the engines and found them just fine - those would not race or qualify again anyway

[raymondu999]

Yeap. So to conclude, Alonso has 1 engine only FP-able, 1 engine completely out, and another which is still usable for all states. So he has 6 "raceable" engines. Bulk has 7. But I don't think they'd want to use that again as it's seen 3 race distances, no?

Also, does anyone know whether Vettel's Bahrain engine problem ate up an engine so he can't use it again?

[zgred]

Am I wrong in that Alonso has 7 active engines from which to rotate through going into the Chinese GP?

And Massa has all 8 engines to rotate from as well??

Albeit some at a limited capacity.

Please correct me if I'm wrong. I won't mind.

Ferrari admits engine problems

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This means that for the remaining 16 races of the season Alonso has only five new engines to use, with one unit still capable of doing around 1,680 kilometres and another one, available only for Free Practice, with close to 860 kilometres left.
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[mx_tifoso]

Gracias, Zgred.

I didn't know that the Bahrain and Sepang races were done with different engines.

[raymondu999]

The Bahrain race engines will be reused in China... So they'll have done the Bahrain GP and the China weekend. Alonso also said once that "he can still use the one in Melbourne." So Alonso has used 4 engines so far? Bahrain quali, Bahrain race, Melbourne race, Sepang race (the one that blew up), no?

[manchild]

http://www.f1technical.net/news/14620

Smoke on the water, and fire in the sky.

We don't know what is exactly the nature of Fernando's engine problem at the moment, and we don't know what is the situation on Sauber's engines.

The answer my friend is blowin' in the wind.

[GrndLkNatv]

Exactly Raymundo, only Alonso has completely eliminated an engine. The ones from Bahrain are still useable, but only for FP's.

As of now it's two engines..

[raymondu999]

Yeap. But we don't know if the failed unit is the Bahrain Fp-only one, or if it's the melbourne/bahrain race engines.

[manchild]

Alonso: "the best car I've ever had"

†††

Gimme five

[manchild]

Yeap. But we don't know if the failed unit is the Bahrain Fp-only one, or if it's the melbourne/bahrain race engines.

It's the one raced in Bahrain (replaced after Bahrain quali as they say).

http://www.motorsport-total.com/f1/news ... 41629.html

Der Motor von heute Morgen war der, den wir nach dem Bahrain-Qualifying getauscht hatten

http://www.motorsport-total.com/f1/erge ... 4/33.shtml

GP China in Shanghai / 3. Freies Training

Für jedes Auto dürfen in der Saison 2010 acht Motoren eingesetzt werden.

Pos. Fahrer Team Motor km letzter Wechsel vor

1 V. Petrov Renault Renault 793 Bahrain, 1. Freies Training
2 N. Hülkenberg Williams Cosworth 772 Malaysia, 3. Freies Training
3 R. Kubica Renault Renault 761 Malaysia, 3. Freies Training
4 M. Webber Red Bull Renault 755 Malaysia, 3. Freies Training
5 R. Barrichello Williams Cosworth 750 Malaysia, 3. Freies Training
6 K. Chandhok HRT Cosworth 716 Malaysia, 3. Freies Training
7 J. Alguersuari Toro Rosso Ferrari 646 Australien, Rennen
8 F. Massa Ferrari Ferrari 607 Australien, Rennen
9 H. Kovalainen Lotus Cosworth 586 Australien, Rennen
10 K. Kobayashi Sauber Ferrari 560 Malaysia, 3. Freies Training
11 L. Hamilton McLaren Mercedes 553 Australien, Rennen
12 B. Senna HRT Cosworth 544 Australien, 1. Freies Training
13 M. Schumacher Mercedes Mercedes 537 Australien, Rennen
14 J. Button McLaren Mercedes 531 Australien, Rennen
15 N. Rosberg Mercedes Mercedes 520 Australien, Rennen
16 F. Alonso Ferrari Ferrari 520 Australien, Rennen
17 V. Liuzzi Force India Mercedes 477 Australien, Rennen
18 P. de la Rosa Sauber Ferrari 455 Malaysia, 3. Freies Training
19 L. di Grassi Virgin Cosworth 438 Australien, Rennen
20 A. Sutil Force India Mercedes 429 Australien, Rennen
21 T. Glock Virgin Cosworth 422 Malaysia, 3. Freies Training
22 S. Vettel Red Bull Renault 405 Australien, Rennen
23 J. Trulli Lotus Cosworth 311 Australien, Rennen
24 S. Buemi Toro Rosso Ferrari 27 Australien, Rennen

Anzahl der bisherigen Motorwechsel

Pos. Nr. zuletzt gefahren von Team Motor Motoren

1 7 F. Massa Ferrari Ferrari 3
2 8 F. Alonso Ferrari Ferrari 3
3 1 J. Button McLaren Mercedes 2
4 2 L. Hamilton McLaren Mercedes 2
5 3 M. Schumacher Mercedes Mercedes 2
6 4 N. Rosberg Mercedes Mercedes 2
7 5 S. Vettel Red Bull Renault 2
8 6 M. Webber Red Bull Renault 2
9 9 R. Barrichello Williams Cosworth 2
10 10 N. Hülkenberg Williams Cosworth 2
11 11 R. Kubica Renault Renault 2
12 14 A. Sutil Force India Mercedes 2
13 15 V. Liuzzi Force India Mercedes 2
14 16 S. Buemi Toro Rosso Ferrari 2
15 17 J. Alguersuari Toro Rosso Ferrari 2
16 18 J. Trulli Lotus Cosworth 2
17 19 H. Kovalainen Lotus Cosworth 2
18 20 K. Chandhok HRT Cosworth 2
19 21 B. Senna HRT Cosworth 2
20 22 P. de la Rosa Sauber Ferrari 2
21 23 K. Kobayashi Sauber Ferrari 2
22 24 T. Glock Virgin Cosworth 2
23 25 L. di Grassi Virgin Cosworth 2
24 12 V. Petrov Renault Renault 1

[raymondu999]

I thought Fernando said it was "the one they replaced" after quali. The Bahrain quali engine was replaced by the bahrain race engine. Meaning this would be the bahrain quali engine.

[Ray]

Does his failure count against his eight? Does the old Bahrain engine that failed in practice also count against him? I thought that failure to finish a race due to engine didn't count? Or am I wrong? Again.