Chinese GP 2010 - Shanghai

[ringo]

How is he an idiot? He was ahead of Lewis coming out of the stops and Lewis was clearly in the working lane. That's cut and dry to anyone with eyes and common sense.

So you expect Hamilton to teleport to the other side of vettel?
Vettel had the whole lane and chose to stick to the right, Hamilton basically did not get a chance to go behind vettel.
You can look at the video and see Hamilton signalling Vettel asking him what the hell he is doing. He even had the courtesy to let vettel go ahead at the lights.

[Ray]

I get the feeling that Lewis races hard and can't quite understand why other drivers don't - they all seem to want to "check with mother" before attempting any passes etc.

Anyway, I enjoyed the race - lots of incidents for the various factions to ying-yang with...

+1 =D>

Plain man on man racing. Meanwhile the armchair pedants have their notebooks out.

Oh, and nice to see you back in action Ray. I'd forgotten how OUTRAGED you get at any sort of racing incident.

You don't care about safety. Forgot you guys bend rules to suit yourselves. Attack my posts with facts instead of insults please. I can see you have no evidence to support your argument, and neither does just a fan. Prove me wrong.

[Pierre6]

Vettel shunted Lewis who had to go against Webber, Hamilton had nowhere to go.
I think the real infringements are Petrov for weaving again. Massa for moving twice again; the safety car thing with Button.
Hamilton is clear of all charges, he and Vettel were released the same exact time; no fault of the lolipop man for trying to react quicker than redbull's . Hamilton waited beside him until he was released. Vettel gave no room; so I think that one will be overlooked.

It's a safety issue. Don't let your bias cloud your judgement. Safety issues shouldn't be ignored. You're wrong, he should be handed a heavy penalty for this race and the next. Doesn't matter who was released when, he almost spun trying to get out ahead of Vettel (who was ahead to begin with0 and then he stayed next to him crossing over the line into other pit stalls. That's blatantly illegal, Vettel had no obligation to give a driver room that wasn't ahead of him to begin with and he should have backed off and gotten back over the line in accordance with regulations.

Errr ditto - you're sounding quite biased. There was nothing wrong with the release he just got more wheelspin, and more again when he avoided hitting Vettel.

Arguably Hamilton should then have dropped behind, but equally Vettel should not have squeezed him (you can see him look in his mirror and then move to the right). Both were safety issues, and if one is to be penalised so should the other.

Because Hamilton's name is in most of the posts, he is the guy giving us a lot of excitement! Stop hating! He gave us a lot of exciting overtaking, you guys should be talking about these things, that is great racing!

I'm just happy the championship is still wide open.

[Ray]

How is he an idiot? He was ahead of Lewis coming out of the stops and Lewis was clearly in the working lane. That's cut and dry to anyone with eyes and common sense.

So you expect Hamilton to teleport to the other side of vettel?
Vettel had the whole lane and chose to stick to the right, Hamilton basically did not get a chance to go behind vettel.
You can look at the video and see Hamilton signalling Vettel asking him what the hell he is doing. He even had the courtesy to let vettel go ahead at the lights.

No, I expect him to hit his fuc king brakes. You know, the things that would have gotten him back in the driving lane and out of the pit boxes? He had no advantage over Vettel. Vettel had the advantage over him from the drop of the jack and should have given way. You even confirm this in your own post. End of story.

[myurr]

How is he an idiot? He was ahead of Lewis coming out of the stops and Lewis was clearly in the working lane. That's cut and dry to anyone with eyes and common sense.

He pushed him towards the other pit boxes - that is clearly a safety issue!

You don't have objective reasoning skills either I see. If Lewis had backed off, since he was already in the working lane when he left his damn pit box, none of this would have happened. Lewis is at fault. Full stop. You people can twist reality all you want.

Just because I don't agree with you there's no point shouting that I'm not objective. Frankly it's a 50/50 move, either they both should get away with it or they should both be punished. That pit lane is quite wide and has room for two cars - Vettel was pushing Hamilton from as soon as he saw he was alongside, pushing him into the other mechanics rather than giving him room.

There isn't actually a rule about racing side by side down the pit lane - which I believe should be addressed and have called for since Massa's Valencia incident a couple of years back.

[Poleman]

I get the feeling that Lewis races hard and can't quite understand why other drivers don't - they all seem to want to "check with mother" before attempting any passes etc.

Anyway, I enjoyed the race - lots of incidents for the various factions to ying-yang with...

+1 =D>

Plain man on man racing. Meanwhile the armchair pedants have their notebooks out.

Oh, and nice to see you back in action Ray. I'd forgotten how OUTRAGED you get at any sort of racing incident.

You don't care about safety. Forgot you guys bend rules to suit yourselves. Attack my posts with facts instead of insults please. I can see you have no evidence to support your argument, and neither does just a fan. Prove me wrong.

Noone insulted you...Your safety concerns just reach the edge of paranoia...Look at this thread you made like 10 posts or so...I dont think its healthy.Noone said it was safe but neither one mans fault.You should relax a bit...It all looks easier from our living room chair i guess...Except you work as a racing steward or a team mechanic and you were forged in the heat of battle...If that is the case then i yield to you... =D>

[wesley123]

How is he an idiot? He was ahead of Lewis coming out of the stops and Lewis was clearly in the working lane. That's cut and dry to anyone with eyes and common sense.

So you expect Hamilton to teleport to the other side of vettel?
Vettel had the whole lane and chose to stick to the right, Hamilton basically did not get a chance to go behind vettel.
You can look at the video and see Hamilton signalling Vettel asking him what the hell he is doing. He even had the courtesy to let vettel go ahead at the lights.

No, I expect him to hit his fuc king brakes. You know, the things that would have gotten him back in the driving lane and out of the pit boxes?

Sure, with 2 wheels over the paint and then braking, that is safe

You cannot blame anyone in this incident, but if i have to i blamed Vettel, he was actually forcing hamilton to the right wich was an dangerous manoevre.

[ringo]

Can we talk about the epic battel between Hamilton and Shumacher?

2 laps of the most clinical materminded fighting. Shumacher is slower but he still has the tactics. Loved how he defended on the back straight. Love it!
Hamilton had a little trouble trying to figure out shumacher. But alas shumacher is not used to exit the slow turns so well, neither does he have much eperience in the past decade having to fight such a car and such a driver.
Those laps made my race. Also a ray of hope for shumacher. Too bad his tyres went off becuase he pitted so early for the last stint. The other guys were on a shopping spree, passing a limping and battle weary shumacher.

Much respect to rosberg as well. Solid drive, very solid.

[mx_tifoso]

Please stay civilized and gentlemanly.

[Richard]

You don't care about safety. Forgot you guys bend rules to suit yourselves. Attack my posts with facts instead of insults please. I can see you have no evidence to support your argument, and neither does just a fan. Prove me wrong.

Heh Ray, if you look back I was the first person to post that Hamilton should have a penalty for safety reasons on the exit from the pits.

The comment about you being outraged was meant playfully, because that's what you do. Not meant as an insult at all.

[Poleman]

Please stay civilized and gentlemanly.

+1 MX...I guess that is hard to do when a sheep jumps into the wolves lol...

Just Kidding... [-X

[Richard]

Can we talk about the epic battel between Hamilton and Shumacher?

2 laps of the most clinical materminded fighting. Shumacher is slower but he still has the tactics. Loved how he defended on the back straight. Love it!
Hamilton had a little trouble trying to figure out shumacher. But alas shumacher is not used to exit the slow turns so well, neither does he have much eperience in the past decade having to fight such a car and such a driver.
Those laps made my race. Also a ray of hope for shumacher. Too bad his tyres went off becuase he pitted so early for the last stint. The other guys were on a shopping spree, passing a limping and battle weary shumacher.

Much respect to rosberg as well. Solid drive, very solid.

Yup, those were awesome laps. Schumi showed clear thinking, no weaving, took the right defensive lines all the way. Then Lewis move around the inside/outside on the left/right showed the courage these guys need to do their job.

... or it could have been outside/inside or right/left... you get my drift!

[ringo]

How is he an idiot? He was ahead of Lewis coming out of the stops and Lewis was clearly in the working lane. That's cut and dry to anyone with eyes and common sense.

So you expect Hamilton to teleport to the other side of vettel?
Vettel had the whole lane and chose to stick to the right, Hamilton basically did not get a chance to go behind vettel.
You can look at the video and see Hamilton signalling Vettel asking him what the hell he is doing. He even had the courtesy to let vettel go ahead at the lights.

No, I expect him to hit his fuc king brakes. You know, the things that would have gotten him back in the driving lane and out of the pit boxes? He had no advantage over Vettel. Vettel had the advantage over him from the drop of the jack and should have given way. You even confirm this in your own post. End of story.

I see your point with the safety issue, but looking at the incident, I really cant see where Lewis would have went. Remeber his tyres were spinning and the car was basically in the middle of launching out of the pits, he was basically in damage control mode on his way out. I think he was very controled at driving out safely beside Vettel even giving him right of way out of the pit.
I dont see a driver who is trying to leap frog in the pits. I see 2 lollipop men raising their sticks at the exact same time and 2 cars released at once, one slower off the line.

There is a likely hood of a penalty no doubt, but that would mean Button would get one, Massa would, Petrov would as well. handing lewis the win for Button's infringement and a grid penalty for lewis in spain.

[Ray]

I'm safety biased because my employment is saving pilots by use of ejection seats. It's my pet peeve to see unsafe conditions go ignored or explained away with excuses. Sorry.

[myurr]

I'm safety biased because my employment is saving pilots by use of ejection seats. It's my pet peeve to see unsafe conditions go ignored or explained away with excuses. Sorry.

I agree with you - I called for side by side racing in the pitlane to be banned a couple of years ago, so I do have history on this. However your gripe is with the FIA, the rules do not prohibit this. The drivers merely race as hard as they can within the boundaries of the rules.

So yes the rules should be changed, but Lewis shouldn't be penalised for a rule that doesn't exist even if the rule should be there.