Chinese GP 2010 - Shanghai

[segedunum]

The comment above says it all, no? He should have braked and lined up behind Vettel, not driving in the blue zone all the way out of the pit.

http://www.formula1.com/news/headlines/ ... 10680.html
"Back out on the track, Hamilton then dished out a driving lesson to Vettel, passing him with ease as he outfoxed both Red Bulls in one move on Lap 12."

-Where as Webber crashed on Hamilton's rear on a previous race when he was passing Alonso.

What the hell has that got to do with the comment you're replying to?

[segedunum]

Hmm they seem pretty identical passes to me. The only difference is that Vettel tried to overtake Hamilton with no room (dangerously)

You're very deluded I'm afraid. What actually happened was that Vettel moved to the right hand side of the track to enter the pit lane, and entered it normally.

Hamilton didn't seem to have his brain in gear and stayed to the left, realised late that he wanted to enter the pit lane and would lose a place and so moved right over the white line to stay ahead. He even bizarrely points to the right in his cockpit because he knows he's in the wrong position and knows Vettel is there.

Vettel entered the pit lane normally, Hamilton didn't. As simple as.

[Just_a_fan]

You're completely wrong.

Yeah, gee, thanks for that. i'm completely wrong. Nice to know.

Maybe you haven't been watching F1 for long, but there is no impartiality in the Formula 1 stewards at all.

Does 20 years+ count as "not very long?"

I do remember Hamilton getting slapped by the stweards in 2008 for racing with Kimi even though Kimi was naughty in the same race. As you say, no impartiality.

They consistently don't levy penalties in a timely manner or in accordance with common sense or written regulations. They are not objective in any way, that's proven by Alonso's drive through three laps after it happened and Lewis not getting a consideration for penalty until after the race. If that doesn't tell you they are complete morons, I don't know how else to say it.

Alonso's jump start is totally objective. There is no need to think about it - the rules say no movement before the lights change. If there is movement (which there was) then it's a penalty. Easy.

There were no incidents today that couldn't be solved with proper use of common sense and using already written regulations. You seem to miss those facts.

Well, I tend to think that those involved in the race, as stewards, have access to more "facts" than you or I. If they impose a penalty it's because the facts show that they should. If they don't then perhaps all of the facts aren't as prejudiced as some of the fans are...

[Just_a_fan]

Hmm they seem pretty identical passes to me. The only difference is that Vettel tried to overtake Hamilton with no room (dangerously)

You're very deluded I'm afraid. What actually happened was that Vettel moved to the right hand side of the track to enter the pit lane, and entered it normally.

Hamilton didn't seem to have his brain in gear and stayed to the left, realised late that he wanted to enter the pit lane and would lose a place and so moved right over the white line to stay ahead. He even bizarrely points to the right in his cockpit because he knows he's in the wrong position and knows Vettel is there.

Vettel entered the pit lane normally, Hamilton didn't. As simple as.

Hamilton pointed to the right before he got to the pitlane entry.

As someone who only apparently started watching F1 last week, I don't remember Berger choosing to do the same thing after Patrese ended up almost surfing the pitlane wall in '92. A very sensible thing to do when you have a car next to you and you need to enter the pitlane...

[Just_a_fan]

Because even if there is no rule against racing in the pit lane

Kerching!

[Just_a_fan]

You cannot blame anyone in this incident, but if i have to i blamed Vettel, he was actually forcing hamilton to the right wich was an dangerous manoevre.

Wesley, suppose you were driving your own car. How would you react, if you saw another vehicle speeding on the pavement just next to you, desperately attempting an overtake?

You've got the same situation here. Vettel had the damn right of way and he could do whatever he wanted. Hamilton was the one 'driving on the pavement', who should have pressed the brakes and let Vettel pass.
I'm not even mentioning another incidents like overtaking with all four wheels off the track or "whooops I should've stopped, let's go through the sand".

What "pavement"? This isn't street racing you know. The pit lane is part of the race track. There is a speed limit but that's it.

You can't compare what you see on a race track with your own street driving. It's just totally unconnected. Sheesh!

[Just_a_fan]

Quite clearly the wrong decision, and the stewards are not able to enforce their own rules on pit lane exit and entry. They will be treated as a joke now.

1. For Hamilton's first stop he realised too late that he wanted to pit, and jumped right across the run off area over the white lines and into the pit lane to avoid having to do another lap.

2. He tried to maintain track position against Vettel by going over the white line and being on the inside of the pit lane at the entry. Vettel clearly had track position there because he was the only one actually in the pit lane.

Ditto for Alonso, except he went a step further and used the corner in the pit lane as an overtaking point.

3. There was nothing wrong with McLaren's pit release. They both came out at the same time but Vettel and Red Bull just beat them to it and had clearly gained the place.

4. Vettel can drive anywhere he likes in the pit lane because, once again, he's the only one in the pit lane - and he's ahead. For Hamilton to come down the inside and almost drive in other teams' pit boxes when the position should clearly have been yielded was just dangerous, plain and simple. Trying to overtake in the pit lane is simply not allowed.

Congratulations to the FIA and the stewards. We all know what will happen at future races and in China next year.

Ah, I wondered where you'd apply your anti-McLaren, pro-Red Bull bias this weekend. Can't sit in the MP4-25 thread and say how rubbish the car is when it left the Red Bulls for dead all over the track...

Perhaps I'll pop in to the MP4-25 thread and read your posts about how rubbish the car is...

[Giblet]

Everyone take a deep breath.

Ohmmmm.........

[Just_a_fan]

First time he missed the pitlane entry even Martin Brundle admitted that they could have penalized him for going reverse on the track, and learning that if you miss your exit you have to commit going straight is one of the first things they teach in driving schools, but - what the heck - the stewards seemed to think he just got confused and lost the track. Second time around though it was clear they were having a battle with Seb and it was not an error, Lewis went straight on purpose forcing Vettel to lift off as he had nowhere to go. If anything, that was a shortcut gaining Lewis an unfair advantage. Same with Alonso and Massa. Only difference, Alonso had already been penalised for his antics once, Lewis seems to get away with it lightly. When the two cars were then released, I think it was quite clear for all to see which of the two should have given way and which should have held his line.

Having said all that, it will be fun to watch whether the rest of the drivers may start returning the favours to Lewis given half a chance..

It was Coulthard who mentioned going the wrong way.

Alonso was penalised for a jump start. That is a black and white penalty. No nned to be subjective - you either move early or you don't. Alonso did.

[Just_a_fan]

How could he yield when Vettel put his wheel in the McLaren side?

Errrr, Vettel was in front. He had the position. End of. That's the way it works.

Take a look at the picture you posted above. Hamilton has lost the position. There is no reason to be where he is.

If Hamilton breaked he would have caused the wheels to collide and a serious accident.

Hmmmmm, no. He eases off the accelerator and drops in behind into the pit lane. Easy. He would have caused a serious accident where he was if he'd ran over a wheel gun. Trying to justify his action of staying in the pit lane box zone, trying to get alongside Vettel, on the basis of safety is.........bizarre, quite frankly.

You're also deluded about the facts of the pit entry...

Errrrr, no. Hamilton entered the pit lane by crossing the white line. That's very clear. The pictures and rules on that are extremely clear, or at least they should be.

So, are they very clear, or do you just wish they were very clear?

If they were very clear then a penalty would have accrued. But no penalty accrued and so, wow, the rules are obviously not so clear. Or they are clear but not in the way that the Hamilton-haters would like them to be...

[whiteblue01]

Fantastic racing today shame about Michael

[Paul Oz]

Hmm they seem pretty identical passes to me. The only difference is that Vettel tried to overtake Hamilton with no room (dangerously)

You're very deluded I'm afraid. What actually happened was that Vettel moved to the right hand side of the track to enter the pit lane, and entered it normally.

Hamilton didn't seem to have his brain in gear and stayed to the left, realised late that he wanted to enter the pit lane and would lose a place and so moved right over the white line to stay ahead. He even bizarrely points to the right in his cockpit because he knows he's in the wrong position and knows Vettel is there.

Vettel entered the pit lane normally, Hamilton didn't. As simple as.

Indeed.... kinda shows who's the racer tho eh! Nothing was wrong with the manoeuvre in the eyes of the Stewards..... I think i'll take their judgement.
Vettel was the dangerous one pushing Lewis into the guns IMO, although perhaps Lewis should have conceded a little faster. The release was fine.

[Pierre6]

You guys still talking about the Vettel-Hamilton incident? That's just pathetic after such a nice and exciting race. Can't you guys talk about the nice passes, the constantly changing conditions, etc.

I thought this was the "Chinese GP 2010"-topic, it must be a mistake.

[Just_a_fan]

You guys still talking about the Vettel-Hamilton incident? That's just pathetic after such a nice and exciting race. Can't you guys talk about the nice passes, the constantly changing conditions, etc.

I thought this was the "Chinese GP 2010"-topic, it must be a mistake.

Didn't you know - people watch F1 in order to find things to bitch about.

It makes one wonder why there is a thread hereabouts that suggest that F1 is boring. China was a cracking race with much going on including - shock, horror - some real racing by real racing drivers.

Apparently, racing only counts when it involves refuelling or unopposed overtaking. Anything like defending of positions is to be frowned upon...

[thestig84]

Stunning race. Loved every second, well done all finishers it looked like very hard work out there!

I agree with Pierre6 and Just a fan. Let it go!! We see a great race with tonnes of action and all people want is to penalise drivers. Its RACING, we want close aggressive racing. Some many people never seem happy. Either F1 is boring and broken or a great race that ends in just as much moaning about drivers daring to race each other.

I just hope they all get to Spain okay and we dont come back down to earth with a standard less than exciting Spanish GP!