Is Hamilton desperate or what?

[BreezyRacer]

I neither love not hate LH. However I have to say that his driving and his behavior on track this year has been reckless and uncomplimentary.

That pit issue today was just STUPID .. the only thing more stupid than that was that he wasn't heavily penalized for it. Passing someone thru a single pit entrance is dangerous, and then racing between wheels down the pit lane on exit was doubly so. I will also acknowledge that Alonso also managed the same bone headed passing move on Massa at pit in.

The weaving issue last race was just pure simple illegal driving. Period.

Bad mouthing his team in Australia was very low class, to say the least.

So something is up with Hamilton, and I think his name is Button. I will openly admit that I thought Button had nothing for LH, but I've been proven wrong, twice now. Button is far better than I gave him credit for. OTOH, LH is just becoming an ass, and the idea of drivers as race marshalls doesn't seem to work too well.

These on track moves are NOT judgment calls, but flagrant disregard for racing safety and fairness. Soon someone will be hurt, or worse. I can only hope that when LH creates the next stupid desperate move he'll get the short end of the stick.

I'm sure Vettel is thinking now that he should have just squeezed LH to the grass on pit exit. LH has got to shape up or pay a price for these pointless and risky moves. That's my opinion of course.

[Hangaku]

Boring boring boring, another Hamilton bashing thread. Can we please discuss something else?

[mx_tifoso]

Should I see any disrespectful comments and/or personal attacks I just might close it right then and there. Warning has been given guys and gals. There has been plenty of it since over the past 12 hours. Please no more.

I won't be pessimistic thus this thread deserves a chance to prove itself, for what it's worthy anyways.

[Giblet]

You say desperate, I say hungry.

He didn't break the rules, he came out ahead. Why should he be penalzied for not breaking a rule? If you think he did, kindly post the rule he broke. Alonso did it as well, so he deserves his own thread as well no?

This same sort of aggression made Senna a legend.

This thread is useless.

[Sambo]

Alonso done the same thing in the pit entrance and he didnt get penalized, so why in particular bvring up hamilton. Yes i agree he is agressive, but i suppose thats what gives him his world championship ability

So as Hangaku said, it seems just another way to bash hamilton and nit is getting rather boring now

[ringo]

Hamilton and Alonso are the same animal.
Poeple are just too focused on one of them.

If you got a problem with the BOSS, take it up with the stewards.
Some people get bitter when their driver get's pulverized by hamilton, and Hamilton does it so easily and control-ably.
I would feel bad too if a driver i despise, keeps moving up field and my driver gets stuck behind in the back. It would grind my gears if that driver also ends up on the podium against all odds.
Hamilton has no equal on track as it stands, and i am being objective here. If someone is in his path that driver is going to get dispatched within 2 laps. All his incidents on track occurred not with innocent drivers, who take their medicine, but drivers who were screaming and kicking, trying to resist the inevitable.

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[ernos5]

Well why are there so many threads against LH?

Obviously people hate him, and some people would like to discuss why and his disgraceful driving.

[Hangaku]

Well why are there so many threads against LH?

Obviously people hate him, and some people would like to discuss why and his disgraceful driving.

Threads to discuss why people hate someone that they don't know? How childish. Take it to Facebook.

[PNSD]

As the OP said, this isnt a hate message, and regarding the posts about the pitlane incident, again the OP has focused on the season so far rather than one incident.

I dont think desperate is the word, and I think he knows that depsite being 2 wins behind Jenson and behind in the points table he knows the reasons why it wasnt him who won in which races, and thats the important thing. I dont think he is desperate and out to prove a point, I think Lewis is being Lewis. Love him or hate him he is what he is, and what he is, is a raw racer with little compramise. Sometimes that means being blind to the whole picture and only taking a race for the current lap rather than looking at the race as a whole.

Under normal circumstances, ie a boring race, the approach Lewis takes is a good approach, he just drives flat out constantly. However for a race such as today where the driver really needed to think about what to do and when, Jenson quickly gains the edge. I think regardless of team-mate for Lewis, this season would have played out no different. He will know that once back in Europe, and back to standard races Button will not have the edge it seemingly looks like he currently has. The two will matched though, and I think a race could as easily swing towards Lewis as it could toward Button. We certainly have an interested season ahead.

[Ray]

Even though NASCAR is generally despised around here I think Lewis is alot like Dale Earnhardt. No bullshit, takes what he wants when he wants it. Don't like it? Beat him. He doesn't care and he's going to pass you regardless where it is and what conditions. That can be nothing but applauded.

Desperate is the wrong word completely I think. He's a racer. Plain and simple. He just drives the wheels off the car when he's in it, and sometimes that's his undoing. But you cannot fault a guy for going out and really racing. He may need to calm down a bit though, for all his great moves and daring passes, Jenson has two race wins to his none. That's got to be eating on him.

[BreezyRacer]

As the OP said, this isnt a hate message, and regarding the posts about the pitlane incident, again the OP has focused on the season so far rather than one incident.

I dont think desperate is the word, and I think he knows that depsite being 2 wins behind Jenson and behind in the points table he knows the reasons why it wasnt him who won in which races, and thats the important thing. I dont think he is desperate and out to prove a point, I think Lewis is being Lewis. Love him or hate him he is what he is, and what he is, is a raw racer with little compramise. Sometimes that means being blind to the whole picture and only taking a race for the current lap rather than looking at the race as a whole.

Under normal circumstances, ie a boring race, the approach Lewis takes is a good approach, he just drives flat out constantly. However for a race such as today where the driver really needed to think about what to do and when, Jenson quickly gains the edge. I think regardless of team-mate for Lewis, this season would have played out no different. He will know that once back in Europe, and back to standard races Button will not have the edge it seemingly looks like he currently has. The two will matched though, and I think a race could as easily swing towards Lewis as it could toward Button. We certainly have an interested season ahead.

Thanks for taking the time to actually read my post, PNSD. You're right .. I never said I hated Hamilton, and in fact said that I didn't expect Button to measure up to Hamilton's abilities. He's always been fast, but only rarely has he done anything stupid or wrong, until this year.
I am not a fan boy and my conversation wasn't written in a fan boy way. I like and respect all the drivers. But anyone who is objectively watching this season has to agree that LH is a bit different this year. That is what my thread was about. And I slammed Alonso too about the passing in the pit lane but at least Alonso wasn't crazy enough to proceed sideways down the pit lane, locked wheel to wheel with another car. Only Hamilton did that. And it was sooo funny to see that he didn't remember anything unusual in the pit. Ha ha ha.

Please, this thread was intended as a serious discussion of LH's recent pattern of dangerous driving and skirting of the regs. I'm fine with the no compromise racer, but these latest antics are clearly different than his driving patterns of previous years.

[Giblet]

Sure, I guess.

I read your post, unlike your assumption. I don't think the same way as you however that it needs a new thread.

The blocking move has been debated at length. Many feel it was just breaking a tow, many feel it wasn't.

Many think his comments were unwarranted lambasting his teams tire choice. This has also been discussed at length.

A large group also think today he made some uncompromising moves that could be construed as dangerous, also discussed openly and often all over the board.

Many think he needs a manager asap to curb his enthusiasm, another topic already discussed at length.

So I ask you, why does this need to be rehashed over and over, in yet another thread?

[FLC]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the following article from appendix L addresses this pit lane entry issue?

Entrance to the pit lane
a) The section of track leading to the pit lane shall be referred to as the “pit entry”.
b) During competition access to the pit lane is allowed only through the pit entry.
c) Any driver intending to leave the track or to enter the pit lane should make sure that it is safe to do so.
d) Except in cases of force majeure (accepted as such by the Stewards of the Meeting), the crossing, in any direction, of the line separating the pit entry and the track is prohibited.

If indeed that is the case, I think it would be hard to claim force majeure in regard to the incidents we've seen.

[BreezyRacer]

Sure, I guess.

I read your post, unlike your assumption. I don't think the same way as you however that it needs a new thread.

The blocking move has been debated at length. Many feel it was just breaking a tow, many feel it wasn't.

Many think his comments were unwarranted lambasting his teams tire choice. This has also been discussed at length.

A large group also think today he made some uncompromising moves that could be construed as dangerous, also discussed openly and often all over the board.

Many think he needs a manager asap to curb his enthusiasm, another topic already discussed at length.

So I ask you, why does this need to be rehashed over and over, in yet another thread?

Sorry if me posting a thread upsets you. I looked for any current threads on Hamilton before I posted and didn't see anything on the first sheet of posts. Therefore I posted. If there was another thread on something like this subject I would have posted there. Should we have single threads for drivers like we do for car tech? I don't know .. I will say I pretty surprised that someone hadn't already posted something similar to my post.

[segedunum]

The 'weaving' was possibly a bit naughty, but what can you do? I don't think there was anything wrong with it and it's just up to other drivers to respond, perhaps not go with the weaving and do something different.

I found Mark Webber's complaints over the radio when he was forced wide funny where his team answered "Yer, we saw it", which meant "What do you want us to do about it?!" Stop being so weak, look in your mirrors and think ahead.

As for the pit lane shenanigans, that's been done to death and it's 100% clear according to the rules - you can't just drive over the pit lane boundaries. Hamilton and Alonso should have got firm penalties. However, those rules are now worthless so we'll see what happens.