Chinese GP 2010 - Shanghai

[Just_a_fan]

Please site the rule that states that going two wide is perfectly acceptable. I may eat my words but I called it as I saw it.

How about showing the rules that say it isn't allowed...

Additionally the webber, hami and Vettel incident is just a racing incident.

I agree wholeheartedly.

Do you honestly think Vettel would purposely make a move knowing that it would endanger both LH and MW?

Not in that situation, no. In the pitlane, I think he purposely moved across the lane to try to crowd LH to force him back.

For someone who talks about perspectives and views it would seem that yours is a very clouded one.

Not at all. I've just tried to bring an opposing view to those who rant on about LH and forget that others are not whiter than white.

[Just_a_fan]

No one would be even talking about this if Vettel hadnt squeezed Ham......

Exactly. If they'd run down the pitlane side by side and then nailed it the exit we'd all be "wow, great racing". Vettel moved across the lane in a big way. And that's Hamilton's fault apparently.

[andrew]

Not sure which reg but I am pretty sure there have been other drivers done in the past for racing in the pitlane.

Either way the stewards decision has been made and some of us think they got it wrong and the Hamilton fans think they got it right. I think this topic has died a death of boredom. So lets not hear anymore about it.

"Pit Lane Ying Yang" does have a certain ring to it!

Find the reg or admit you're wrong. I've already given link to vid of same thing in 2004 with no penalties.
The Stewards made a decision which only Ham-haters think is wrong...
This topic will die when you admit you're wrong.

But 2004? Not find anything newer? I'm pretty sure that the regs have changed quite a few times since then.

There is no point having ANY form of discussion with you as all you do is resort to verbal abuse and insults to anyone who dares to have a different opinion to yourself.

[andrew]

No one would be even talking about this if Vettel hadnt squeezed Ham......

Exactly. If they'd run down the pitlane side by side and then nailed it the exit we'd all be "wow, great racing". Vettel moved across the lane in a big way. And that's Hamilton's fault apparently.

He probably should not have been in that position in the first place.

There are faults on both sides but as I have already said, the driver who is driving along the concrete section of the pitlane should really give way. Even the English commentators said this on the BBC, and they love LH.

[komninosm]

Good point....

Let's see if anyone dares answer ;p

I have not seen a video of the pitstop but I guess the easiest thing is for the guy with the wheel gun to have Massa's tyres, say, to his right and Alonso's tyres, say, to his left. They wouldn't loose much if any time, but then one driver will have colder tyres than the other but having said that the cars are only stopped for a few seconds so the tyres wouldn't loose too much temperature.

Or even simpler, there was maybe not any difference between their tyres at this race?

Heh Ferrari guy said he didn't even see the pass. The thing is sure Alonso gained nothing if he got Massa's tyres in this race, but it still is illegal. And it's a lot more complicated than you make it out to be, switching tyres.

[komninosm]

FALSE DICHOTOMY!
Also asked and answered.
Next!

Kom your pathetic, overly agressive attitude is not wanted nor needed! [-X

Most of us around here dont resort to name calling or "verbal" bullying when someone doesn't agree with us and I suggest you follow suit!

I admit I was crossing the line of civility at some places in previous posts.
However, the post you quoted is perfectly fine. It is also accurate.
I also suggest you give this warning to some other people here (including your self see "pathetic"), why choose only me?


EDIT: Apparently some people misunderstood what I meant with my last sentence. I was not calling djos pathetic. I was calling him a hypocrite because he accussed me of overly aggressive attitude right after calling me pathetic (in a way). That's why I put "pathetic" in quotes. I should have said:

I also suggest you give this warning to some other people here (including your self see above, for calling me "pathetic"), why choose only me?

[djos]

FALSE DICHOTOMY!
Also asked and answered.
Next!

Kom your pathetic, overly agressive attitude is not wanted nor needed! [-X

Most of us around here dont resort to name calling or "verbal" bullying when someone doesn't agree with us and I suggest you follow suit!

I admit I was crossing the line of civility at some places in previous posts.
However, the post you quoted is perfectly fine. It is also accurate.
I also suggest you give this warning to some other people here (including your self see "pathetic"), why choose only me?

Because your tone has been continually disrespectful of the opinions of others from the moment you got involved in this topic - instead of debating the topic you name call and try to bludgeon your "opponents" into submission which is not how we do things around here! [-X

[andrew]

Perhaps the Vettel/Hamilton/Pitlane thing should be put to bed for the sake of humanity and our sanity and other aspects of the Chinese GP are discussed.

[Richard]

Heh guys, if you draft a post that talks about "you" and "me" then you've probably gone off topic. Just a hunch.

Best solution is to walk away and leave it.

...

Back to topic - Rosberg did very well didn't he?

[djos]

It looks like the mods got sick of me reporting the abuse from a certain member - thanks mods.

yeah Rosberg has really surprised & impressed me this year and is really making the most of the MGP001. =D>

[andrew]

Yes, they probably saved me from posting a comment that would have got me in hot water! I must have clicked "submit" right after the posts being pulled and my post wouldn't post. PHEW!! :-"

Anyhoo back to the topic (we all remember the topic don't we? )

Rosberg did well again and I am sure a win is on the cards at some stage. Shame about Schumacher but if you look at the races so far, it is impossible to draw any real conclusions:

Bahrain - no could pass anyone.
Austrailia - front wing broken by a crash caused by Alonso left him stuck at the back on a drying track with only one line so making a pass stick was nigh on imposible. I think there was suspension damage also but can't be too sure.
Malaysia - wheel nut fell off.
China - rubbish set-up (Ok that was probably mainly Schumachers fault).

I think once the Merc is upgraded and the F1 circus gets to some of the proper European tracks we will see more of what we all hoped to see from Schumacher. I hope! [-o<

[komninosm]

To stay on topic then, anyone else wanna tackle the Ferrari tyre issue?
Or provide actual rules or vids for the other arguments?
I'm fairly convinced that the pit exit incident was Vettel's fault, but I still want rules for the pit entry. I think that's maybe a valid complain against Hamilton and Alonso. Though they were both side by side with their competitors really, so it was racing.

[segedunum]

As FLC said on another thread:

Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the following article from appendix L addresses this pit lane entry issue?

Entrance to the pit lane
a) The section of track leading to the pit lane shall be referred to as the “pit entry”.
b) During competition access to the pit lane is allowed only through the pit entry.
c) Any driver intending to leave the track or to enter the pit lane should make sure that it is safe to do so.
d) Except in cases of force majeure (accepted as such by the Stewards of the Meeting), the crossing, in any direction, of the line separating the pit entry and the track is prohibited.

The rules are clear, once and for all. The only problem is I don't think the stewards have seen this before on the pit lane entry, but it is something they should certainly know about.

[segedunum]

Exactly. If they'd run down the pitlane side by side and then nailed it the exit we'd all be "wow, great racing". Vettel moved across the lane in a big way. And that's Hamilton's fault apparently.

Wow, I certainly hadn't heard that ruling. Any driver who is in front and has track position should just...........get out of the way. Priority is reserved for Lewis Hamilton.

Nuts. Just nuts.

[andrew]

Depends on ones point of view. Some want fair racing that is correctly governed. Other want a red carpet and priority given to suit one driver.