Is Hamilton desperate or what?

[Paul Oz]

Look at Alonso, with 4 stops and a drive through he was what, 11 seconds or so behind Button at the end? Even with Buttons off a few laps from the end he would have been about 15-16 seconds behind. That's a champions drive, not driving through the gravel to the pits like Lewis did.

What are you joking???!!

Have you somehow forgot the saftey car we had 20 or so laps from finish???

Champions drive, bah! If I were him id thank Bernd Maylander!

It did seem a bit of a soft safety car.....

[Hangaku]

Look at Alonso, with 4 stops and a drive through he was what, 11 seconds or so behind Button at the end? Even with Buttons off a few laps from the end he would have been about 15-16 seconds behind. That's a champions drive, not driving through the gravel to the pits like Lewis did.

What are you joking???!!

Have you somehow forgot the saftey car we had 20 or so laps from finish???

Champions drive, bah! If I were him id thank Bernd Maylander!

Or Alex Wurz. After all, it is him that solely made all the decisions in the race, right?

[snowy]

Jenson doesn't think he's teammate is desperate either:

"I'd love to fight for the championship in a more exciting way, but there's more chance of being consistent," he explained. "Lewis has had some amazing races to watch. I watched the last couple of races and Melbourne was a pretty exciting race.

"The last one, for the first part of the race, was pretty exciting. So yeah, he's doing a great job and I think we're both dong a fantastic job.

"It's good to have a team-mate who's that competitive. The guy will never give up. He's like a pit-bull. He will never give up. He is going to fight until the end and I love having a team-mate who's like that. He's amazingly quick. He's an exceptional driver.

"That's also nice because we push each other very hard and we are going to be pushing each other very hard this year. It's shown over the last few races, I think. We haven't really had a race together, except for this one, at the end."

[komninosm]

http://vimeo.com/11018282
Hamilton cam.
Shows Vettel is being rude. His wheels nearly step on the white line ffs. Give some room! [-X

[Paul Oz]

Jenson doesn't think he's teammate is desperate either:

"I'd love to fight for the championship in a more exciting way, but there's more chance of being consistent," he explained. "Lewis has had some amazing races to watch. I watched the last couple of races and Melbourne was a pretty exciting race.

"The last one, for the first part of the race, was pretty exciting. So yeah, he's doing a great job and I think we're both dong a fantastic job.

"It's good to have a team-mate who's that competitive. The guy will never give up. He's like a pit-bull. He will never give up. He is going to fight until the end and I love having a team-mate who's like that. He's amazingly quick. He's an exceptional driver.

"That's also nice because we push each other very hard and we are going to be pushing each other very hard this year. It's shown over the last few races, I think. We haven't really had a race together, except for this one, at the end."

'Pit Bull' is an awesome analogy! Explains why he was so nervous with Lewis closing in on Sunday I think he demonstrated the same attitude even fighting for 18th in the first half of last year.

Maybe the next painting will have to be Lewis morphed into a pit bull!! Hmmnnnnn....

[lebesset]

full story

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/83067



my all time favourite rally driver was colin McRae [ a scot , grrr ] , lightning fast , only one weakness ..he tried to win every race
which is why he was only world champion once

[komninosm]

Another similar incident with the "Vettel" behaving properly.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O40dbirfNV8
Though to be honest I mainly post this to poke fun on the Ferrari fans

[Hannah.]

No, he just wants to win. Simple as.

Sunday was the perfect demonstration of why I support Hamilton over Button, yes Jenson had an almost perfect win inwhich he made an absolutly genius tyre call, however he only had to overtake 1 car, the rest was done by strategy which is fine - he won didn't he - but he didn't create any true excitment. Meanwhile, Lewis (probably due to inexperience or a team decision) made the wrong tyre call, ended up 17th at one point but didn't give up in the slightest, instead just went all out to overtake left right and centre, sometimes 2 cars in 1 corner.

This is why Hamilton is my favourite driver, he's not just quick, he has some of the best overtaking moves, an incredible determination and a do or die attitude, all of which contribute greatly to the excitment of F1.

[marcush.]

I always loved Mansell ... he was always good for creating drama..they called him lion back then..didn´t they?

[vall]

FLC, could you post a ling to these regulations? I can't find that part.

It is in Appendix L, Chapter IV, Article 4. Scroll right to the bottom, page no. 18.

Also, I've found the following article (2.4) in Appendix H:

f) Black and white flag divided diagonally
This flag should be shown once only and is a warning to the driver concerned that he has been reported for unsportsmanlike behaviour.

So did the stewards really do anything in regard to Hamilton's weaving, or showing this flag to a driver is just a technicality following a complaint or report, such as Renault complained?

A photo of the pit entrance in China, To help the discussion a bit more:


I believe the tarmac to the left of the pit entry should be considered as run off area.

Thanks.

About the photo, the first thing to notice is probably the most famous gravel trap in F1 history

[doopie2you]

braking TOOO late twice in 1 race is desperate

.......and trying to drive in a pit box in an attempt to overtake someone in the pit lane when he'd already lost the place and was behind because of his poor pitbox exit isn't desperate?

HAHAHA, no it ain't desperate I didn't see Vettel knocked of the track at the pit lane. But i DID see Hamilton going of when Webber didn't knew where his brake was.
And i DID see hamilton's front wing losing a bit because Webber AGAIN did not know where his brake was and he just went STRAIGHT in the gravel.

What Hamilton did in the begin of the pit lain is smart, he didn't do anything wrong. If you were a driver and you let him in FRONT of you instead of trying to get him at the pit entry corner i would say you don't got the fighting spirit.

And at the same time, Vettel and Hamilton were released at almost the same time. Hamilton only wanted a bit to much and when to hard on his gas wichs made him slip away, and Vettel went in front a BIT.

and then Vettel tried to squeeze Hamilton to into a wheelgun coard

I am suprised that he didn't get a punishment for that squeezing, he would already had him if he jsut stayed in the middle.

[vall]

braking TOOO late twice in 1 race is desperate

.......and trying to drive in a pit box in an attempt to overtake someone in the pit lane when he'd already lost the place and was behind because of his poor pitbox exit isn't desperate?

HAHAHA, no it ain't desperate I didn't see Vettel knocked of the track at the pit lane. But i DID see Hamilton going of when Webber didn't knew where his brake was.
And i DID see hamilton's front wing losing a bit because Webber AGAIN did not know where his brake was and he just went STRAIGHT in the gravel.

What Hamilton did in the begin of the pit lain is smart, he didn't do anything wrong. If you were a driver and you let him in FRONT of you instead of trying to get him at the pit entry corner i would say you don't got the fighting spirit.

And at the same time, Vettel and Hamilton were released at almost the same time. Hamilton only wanted a bit to much and when to hard on his gas wichs made him slip away, and Vettel went in front a BIT.

and then Vettel tried to squeeze Hamilton to into a wheelgun coard

I am suprised that he didn't get a punishment for that squeezing, he would already had him if he jsut stayed in the middle.

A BIT is not quite correct, it was 1/2 car and Vettel was already driving in the right side of the lane. He did not move right to block LH (later he moved a bit to show his ball a bigger ) In this situation, there were 2 optins:

1) LH slows a BIT and lines behind SV
2) SV moves left letting LH drive in the right part of the lane.

I see not reason why 2) should have happened and not 1). After all VS was clearly ahead and by all regs he has the right to choose the racing line and defend his position by not changing direction more than once, which he did not do.

[Paul Oz]

A BIT is not quite correct, it was 1/2 car and Vettel was already driving in the right side of the lane. He did not move right to block LH (later he moved a bit to show his ball a bigger ) In this situation, there were 2 optins:

1) LH slows a BIT and lines behind SV
2) SV moves left letting LH drive in the right part of the lane.

I see not reason why 2) should have happened and not 1). After all VS was clearly ahead and by all regs he has the right to choose the racing line and defend his position by not changing direction more than once, which he did not do.

Jesus, havent we have enough of that topic now?

[lebesset]

wouldn't be so bad if you had your facts correct vall , vettel clearly squeezed hamilton across which is why he got a reprimand as well

just watch the replay if you don't believe me

[donskar]

Gentle reminder: isn't there a Fanboy Ying Yang ding-a-ling thread for this sort of mewling and simpering?

Moderator: could we somehow bag this sort of stuff? I mean, put it in bags. If so, I'll buy a cubic meter. Should help my tomatoes grow.