Is Hamilton desperate or what?

[vall]

wouldn't be so bad if you had your facts correct vall , vettel clearly squeezed hamilton across which is why he got a reprimand as well

just watch the replay if you don't believe me

I did say SV moved right a BIT, but he was already at the right side of the lane and as I said and see no reason why option 2) should have happened. ) was more logical to me.

[lebesset]

so if he was already on the right why did he need to move right AT ALL

I watched it several times , I couldn't believe what he did , stupid ...just like hamilton

[vall]

so if he was already on the right why did he need to move right AT ALL

I watched it several times , I couldn't believe what he did , stupid ...just like hamilton

I never says what SV did was right. I think he overdid it and it was indeed stupid. It was not necessary. He should just kept his trajectory.

[Shrieker]

It's a bunch of 'BULL' people claiming Vettel didn't squeeze Hamilton.

Now if we hadn't seen it with our eyes...

Geez... What the hell is wrong with you people ? Go watch the replay, Vettel clearly pushes Hamilton to the pitboxes, simply because he didn't want a 'Lewis' on his right side, 1/2 car distance from his front wing, going into a right hand corner.

[segedunum]

Hamilton drove in the slow lane pit box area in an attempt to overtake Vettel. He's lost the position, he's not getting through. It's crystal clear.

Mods, this is done and dusted now and it's pretty clear that many people just don't want to see this. Bag up these comments or close the thread or something.

[andrew]

I think the only sensible view to take is that the race stewards have made their choice. Some like it, some don't but it is in the past what's done is done.

Better off look to the next race and the rest of the season and hope there is not any controversial shenanigans - just good close racing.

[Shrieker]

Hamilton drove in the slow lane pit box area in an attempt to overtake Vettel. He's lost the position, he's not getting through. It's crystal clear.

Mods, this is done and dusted now and it's pretty clear that many people just don't want to see this. Bag up these comments or close the thread or something.

Yeah. Close the thread before anyone has a chance to reply, lol

How EXACTLY, is Lewis supposed to overtake Vettel in the pits, when everyone DAMN WELL knows there is a speed limit in the pits ? You're fooling yourself here, no-one else.

What Lewis wanted to do was keep his position -right alongside Vettel, only 1/2 car distance from Vettel's front wing that was an advantageous place to be going into the first corner which is a right hand corner as I pointed out in my previous post- and attack from there.

[vall]

Hamilton drove in the slow lane pit box area in an attempt to overtake Vettel. He's lost the position, he's not getting through. It's crystal clear.


What Lewis wanted to do was keep his position -right alongside Vettel, only 1/2 car distance from Vettel's front wing that was an advantageous place to be going into the first corner which is a right hand corner as I pointed out in my previous post- and attack from there.

...and he expected SV to let him do that? No driver would ...

[vall]

This is just a snap shot of a poor youtube video, but considering Vettel's proximity to the white line, and Hamilton's position, I believe the latter has all 4 wheels outside.



I've also quoted the regulations in appendix L in regard to pit lane entry in the previous page, but no one commented. Would be happy to hear (read) your thoughts, all.

If you look few seconds after this snap-shot, it is crystal clear that all 4 wheels were off the pit lane. Have to check the Massa-Alonso video

[vall]

This is just a snap shot of a poor youtube video, but considering Vettel's proximity to the white line, and Hamilton's position, I believe the latter has all 4 wheels outside.



I've also quoted the regulations in appendix L in regard to pit lane entry in the previous page, but no one commented. Would be happy to hear (read) your thoughts, all.

If you look few seconds after this snap-shot, it is crystal clear that all 4 wheels were off the pit lane. Have to check the Massa-Alonso video

it is also clear that Alonso is also completely off the pit lines

[Shrieker]

Hamilton drove in the slow lane pit box area in an attempt to overtake Vettel. He's lost the position, he's not getting through. It's crystal clear.


What Lewis wanted to do was keep his position -right alongside Vettel, only 1/2 car distance from Vettel's front wing that was an advantageous place to be going into the first corner which is a right hand corner as I pointed out in my previous post- and attack from there.

...and he expected SV to let him do that? No driver would ...

So who's at fault here ? The one who's pushing, or the one who gets pushed ? If there is a rule saying you can't drive side by side at the pit lane, then Hamilton is at fault too. Is there a rule ?

[ringo]

You know i was going to respond, but it makes no sense. The Stewards have made their decision once again. And it's clear as day to me, i am comfortable knowing the track is bound where i think it is, and that Vettel had a pit lane 2.5 cars wide and decided to sqeeze a driver who had no chance of overtaking him.

Why don't we talk about cheater Barichello who was slamming Hamilton for making 2 moves in malaysia?
When he himself made 2 dangerous moves defending, in the braking zone, on the same man he criticizes.
Why not talk about that blatant disregard and hypocrisy from Barichello? Why because he did not score any points or embarrass any drivers?

Barichello made 2 wild defensive moves. Nothing like what Lewis was doing when he weaved side to side. Rubens did it in the braking zone on a wet track as well.

What says the the regulation and safety Hawks? Where's the outrage?

[segedunum]

i am comfortable knowing the track is bound where i think it is

Well we know that. It's bound where the rules on pit lane exit and entry say that it is, and the off-track area is bounded where the rules say it is.

Either someone is entering the pit lane over the white line, which isn't allowed, or they've gained or held a position by driving in an off-track area and rejoining, if you wish to take that tac and believe that the pit lane entry doesn't exist. Either way, rules have been contravened.

Why not talk about that blatant disregard and hypocrisy from Barichello? Why because he did not score any points or embarrass any drivers?

1. Numero uno - possibly because that wasn't in the pit lane where there aren't the 'rules' that are 'supposed' to exist there.

2. We know Barrichello is a whinger.

3. Hamilton like to push the boundaries, shall we say, and other drivers like to moan about it but this is not an area where boundaries are supposed to be pushed.

[segedunum]

If there is a rule saying you can't drive side by side at the pit lane, then Hamilton is at fault too. Is there a rule ?

No (which is irrelevant), but I'm afraid you'll certainly find no ruling that says that a driver who is ahead and has position in the fast part of the pit lane must move over and let a driver behind alongside who wants to get alongside, and who is driving in the slow pitbox lane no less to do it.

Vettel has priority there because he has firm position in the fast lane in the fast lane. That's the long and the short of it.

[Shrieker]

If there is a rule saying you can't drive side by side at the pit lane, then Hamilton is at fault too. Is there a rule ?

No (which is irrelevant), but I'm afraid you'll certainly find no ruling that says that a driver who is ahead and has position in the fast part of the pit lane must move over and let a driver behind alongside who wants to get alongside, and who is driving in the slow pitbox lane no less to do it.

Vettel has priority there because he has firm position in the fast lane in the fast lane. That's the long and the short of it.

Who says Vettel has to slow down ? He's 1/2 car ahead from Lewis' front wing. Their maximum speed in the pits is FIXED, even if Vettel gave the whole road to Lewis, how on Earth was Lewis going to gain more ground against Vettel ? They have EQUAL SPEED. Why did you assume that anyone implied that Vettel has to slow down ?

I'm just saying he shouldn't have squeezed him, and that's it. If driver X ends up pretty much side by side to you, then fair play to him and his pit crew, he's on your side (you may be a few noses ahead as in this case) but he, in any case does not HAVE TO back off. But you sir, can't drive your car on him. That's naughty.