Is Hamilton desperate or what?

[Just_a_fan]

fangio not able to race for 90 minutes ?

anyone who saw moss drive for 10 hours non stop in the mille miglia at speeds up to 180mph on pre motorway ,tree lined public roads AND average almost 100mph would wonder what you were talking about ; fangio finished behind him

and this was in the technology of 55 years ago

I think they are bowing down to their god of downforce again.
It makes driving the cars much easier than in Fangio/Moss' day but to be fair it adds G force, so the driver has to be mega fit. So what? To me that is only a part of driving a race car.
Halve DF and we might even see some better drivers, think about it.

You don't half spout some rubbish at times. Everything new and young is worthless to you it seems...

You reckon racing a modern F1 car is easy? Deluded...

[ringo]

We can't compare fangio, but i am starting to compare Hamilton to Senna, and i realize he is better in some aspects, not all. But i see him surpassing Senna in the next 5 years. Senna was pretty good at a young age, but his older years were his best.
It took a little bravery on my part to write this, knowing how highly regarded Senna is, but i have the thought in the back of my head sometimes, and i can't help but compare the 2.

Shifting gears to desperation now; Anyone thinks Hamilton will screw up Quali again?
I have a feeling most of his quali problems were with timing. He tends not to stay out to the end in q1,meaning the team doesn't know how the track is in those last minutes.
He does a similar thing in q2 if its to easy for him to be at the top. He heads right into the pits too early.
When he is back out for q3, the car is not right and is out of whack. He struggles then overdrives the car.
China was another case, for some reason i think when he pulled up only to change tyres then shoot back out onto the track, that may have been a bad decision.
Had he went into the pits, wait till he is fully relaxed and the track has a little more rubber then he should have went out.
I see his poor quali this year more of a organizational problem than it is his nerves or desperation.
Hopefully his engineer get's it right in terms of timing and he puts the car on pole this time around.
Spain is a track everyone knows, and going by how straight forward it is to run quali (after all the slow pokes are out in q1) Lewis should have less mix ups and wasteful mistakes.

[Just_a_fan]

the pre aero cars were constantly at the limit of breaking away in some extreem opersite lock and slide conditions, constant reactions needed then.

The tyre technology of the time was such that driving the things in a constant drift etc was the quick way to go. And because of that it wasn't a breakaway at all - the driver was setting the car up to drift.

Moss still (or rather until recently still did) races competitively . There is no way that someone would still be competitive at 80 in a modern F1 car. And that's not just g-force issues but the reaction speeds required and the mental acuity to run the car. The things have more driver controllable adjustments on them than a whole gridful of Maser 250Fs.

[ringo]

fangio not able to race for 90 minutes ?

anyone who saw moss drive for 10 hours non stop in the mille miglia at speeds up to 180mph on pre motorway ,tree lined public roads AND average almost 100mph would wonder what you were talking about ; fangio finished behind him

and this was in the technology of 55 years ago

I think they are bowing down to their god of downforce again.
It makes driving the cars much easier than in Fangio/Moss' day but to be fair it adds G force, so the driver has to be mega fit. So what? To me that is only a part of driving a race car.
Halve DF and we might even see some better drivers, think about it.

You don't half spout some rubbish at times. Everything new and young is worthless to you it seems...

You reckon racing a modern F1 car is easy? Deluded...

I think the newer f1 cars are easier to have maximum control, but are physically harder to driver. Somewhat like comparing and old biplane propeller fighter plane, to a f22.
The new fighter pilots definitely can fly an old mustang plane just as good. Just some adjusting and bravery knowing the dangers and that's about it.
Old f1 cars are probably like driving a koenig segg or a ariel atom.

[autogyro]

Any fifteen year old computer nerd could drive an F1 car, all they would need would be a G suit.
Same for an F22.
Perhaps a Mustang or an Ariel Atom.
No way a Maserati 250F or a Sopwith Camel.

Now all you have to do is prove otherwise.

[Poleman]

Any fifteen year old computer nerd could drive an F1 car, all they would need would be a G suit.
Same for an F22.
Perhaps a Mustang or an Ariel Atom.
No way a Maserati 250F or a Sopwith Camel.

Now all you have to do is prove otherwise.

Sure that,even you and me,but theres a big difference between DRIVING an F1 car and RACING it...As in everything else,planes etc...Anyone can drive/fly anything but not anyone can reach the limits.

[Pandamasque]

@ autogyro - a G-suit wouldn't be of much help if you keep stalling it off the line like most people do once given a chance to drive a Formula1 car.

[flynfrog]

Any fifteen year old computer nerd could drive an F1 car, all they would need would be a G suit.
Same for an F22.
Perhaps a Mustang or an Ariel Atom.
No way a Maserati 250F or a Sopwith Camel.

Now all you have to do is prove otherwise.

after watching nerds try to drive a fsae car I disagree.

[autogyro]

Any fifteen year old computer nerd could drive an F1 car, all they would need would be a G suit.
Same for an F22.
Perhaps a Mustang or an Ariel Atom.
No way a Maserati 250F or a Sopwith Camel.

Now all you have to do is prove otherwise.

after watching nerds try to drive a fsae car I disagree.

You must have been watching the wrong nerds, the world is full of them these days.

[lebesset]

isn't it time we just abandoned this thread guys [ and girls ?]
we all known that in reality hamilton is licking his lips in anticipation of the rest of the season !
come to think of it , ignore the girls bit ..they would have more sense than to contribute to this thread

[autogyro]

Any fifteen year old computer nerd could drive an F1 car, all they would need would be a G suit.
Same for an F22.
Perhaps a Mustang or an Ariel Atom.
No way a Maserati 250F or a Sopwith Camel.

Now all you have to do is prove otherwise.

Sure that,even you and me,but theres a big difference between DRIVING an F1 car and RACING it...As in everything else,planes etc...Anyone can drive/fly anything but not anyone can reach the limits.

I disagree. Have you ever tried to fly a Sopwith Camel or drive a Maserati 250F?

[autogyro]

We can't compare fangio, but i am starting to compare Hamilton to Senna, and i realize he is better in some aspects, not all. But i see him surpassing Senna in the next 5 years. Senna was pretty good at a young age, but his older years were his best.
It took a little bravery on my part to write this, knowing how highly regarded Senna is, but i have the thought in the back of my head sometimes, and i can't help but compare the 2.

Shifting gears to desperation now; Anyone thinks Hamilton will screw up Quali again?
I have a feeling most of his quali problems were with timing. He tends not to stay out to the end in q1,meaning the team doesn't know how the track is in those last minutes.
He does a similar thing in q2 if its to easy for him to be at the top. He heads right into the pits too early.
When he is back out for q3, the car is not right and is out of whack. He struggles then overdrives the car.
China was another case, for some reason i think when he pulled up only to change tyres then shoot back out onto the track, that may have been a bad decision.
Had he went into the pits, wait till he is fully relaxed and the track has a little more rubber then he should have went out.
I see his poor quali this year more of a organizational problem than it is his nerves or desperation.
Hopefully his engineer get's it right in terms of timing and he puts the car on pole this time around.
Spain is a track everyone knows, and going by how straight forward it is to run quali (after all the slow pokes are out in q1) Lewis should have less mix ups and wasteful mistakes.

+ I agree and hope this gets the topic back as it is interesting.

[JohnsonsEvilTwin]

Senna is beyond Hamilton.

Senna is beyond any mortal driver in my mind. There is just no contest, there is no parallel either. Since Senna started in a poor team and had to impress, Hamilton started at the top and had it easy.
I have seen both and all you need to do is see the on board footage of Senna in the 80s to realise the guys genius. I dont see that with Hamilton, but I do see flashes of brilliance.

I think we can all agree that Hamilton entertains us like no other current driver in F1. Question is, does that make him great?


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[Giblet]

Yes, he is great. He is still new and shiny and spanking the field on a semi regular basis.

He has a lot more room to grow.

Nothing taken away from Senna, others had to raise their game to get near him, but rarely ever did.

Hamilton was forged through his idolization of Ayrton, Senna completely idolized himself.

[Just_a_fan]

Any fifteen year old computer nerd could drive an F1 car, all they would need would be a G suit.
Same for an F22.
Perhaps a Mustang or an Ariel Atom.
No way a Maserati 250F or a Sopwith Camel.

Now all you have to do is prove otherwise.

Sure that,even you and me,but theres a big difference between DRIVING an F1 car and RACING it...As in everything else,planes etc...Anyone can drive/fly anything but not anyone can reach the limits.

I disagree. Have you ever tried to fly a Sopwith Camel or drive a Maserati 250F?

I could drive a 250F and fly a Camel. I would be totally out of depth trying to race the former or dog fight the latter however. And that is the point.