Is Hamilton desperate or what?

[JohnsonsEvilTwin]

Giblet

Senna was that good, he could get away with idolising himself. There is just no comparing Hamilton to Senna. Senna in his prime would have crushed hamilton IMO

We will never know but suffice to say Prost ceded to Senna that he was overall a better driver. Dont think Alonso or button would say the same of Hamilton.

[Pierce89]

Yes, he is great. He is still new and shiny and spanking the field on a semi regular basis.

He has a lot more room to grow.

Nothing taken away from Senna, others had to raise their game to get near him, but rarely ever did.

Hamilton was forged through his idolization of Ayrton, Senna completely idolized himself.

Lewis idolizes himself. That's why nothing is ever his fault. However. he is not desperate. The entire field is desperate at the idea of Alonso and Hami both in top cars. Oh, and Senna would smoke Lewis.

[ringo]

Could he battle him though?

I don't know if Senna would smoke Lewis, he could beat him maybe but i don't think he can destroy him. let's imagine both on track. What would we see?
Hard to say which one would take pole.. Senna maybe, then there is the overtaking battle. Lewis would probably win that. Then there is the lap time battle, then the rain battle.
Finally the mistakes competition. Senna would probably make more mistakes.

[timbo]

Senna would probably make more mistakes.

I wouldn't imagine Senna crashing at pit-lane.
And BTW when Senna was driving cars WERE harder to drive than today.

[JohnsonsEvilTwin]

No one can say for certain, but Senna was head and shoulders above his peers in a similar way Schuey was.
Hamilton can forget about that, he isnt even head and shoulders above anyone at McLaren!

[Giblet]

Giblet

Senna was that good, he could get away with idolising himself. There is just no comparing Hamilton to Senna. Senna in his prime would have crushed hamilton IMO

We will never know but suffice to say Prost ceded to Senna that he was overall a better driver. Dont think Alonso or button would say the same of Hamilton.

I know, that's why I typed what I did. Hamilton idolized Senna, and Senna had no idols, except himself and god.

Hamilton is very driven, and naturally very quick, but he is no Senna.

Hard to say though, as the cars Senna drove were more beastly by far. 1400hp in quali trim, clutch and manual box.

This is why the comparisons are pointless, we will never know if Hamilton could have beaten Senna or vice versa, but it would be a race I would pay to watch in the afterlife.

[ringo]

Senna would probably make more mistakes.

I wouldn't imagine Senna crashing at pit-lane.
And BTW when Senna was driving cars WERE harder to drive than today.

Pitlane crash was rookie mistake, and off track as well.

The cars were harder to drive, but i am sure there were other drivers with even worse handling cars than the ones Senna drove. Senna crashes because of how he drives, on the edge.
Hamilton is similar, but his on track offs and mistakes aren't as numerous as Senna's i think.
Correct me if i am wrong.
Senna would crash in the pit-lane for revenge, so i can imagine it. =D>

[lebesset]

although I was a great admirer of senna I have to admit that he drove at 100% all the time which, in my opinion , was what killed him
the truly great drivers were so good that they didn't need to ......fangio once won a race and came in and said ...I drove flat out to win ...I've never done that before and hope never to do it again
jim clark once punctured , fell a lap behind , then drove flat out to overtake the entire field ; no fairy tale ending though , he ran out of petrol on the last lap , he normally didn't use that amount ; THAT is greatness

hamilton must be thrilled that he has a car close to the front ; he knows that red bull were well ahead since the middle of last season , and that ferrari abandoned last year's car and threw everything into the 2010 car very early ; desperate ? as jonny Mac always says , you cannot be serious

[JohnsonsEvilTwin]

the truly great drivers were so good that they didn't need to(drive flat out
)

I'm very sorry but I cannot agree with that. Senna was special because he existed solely to discover what existed beyond the realms of what was considered possible.

"It was like I was in a tunnel. Not only the tunnel under the hotel but the whole circuit was a tunnel. I was just going and going, more and more and more and more. I was way over the limit but still able to find even more."

And to put Fangio's rather graceless comments into perspective, Senna would say.
"You must take the compromise to win, or else nothing. That means: you race or you do not."

If Senna was around in Fangio's day, there is no doubt in my mind that not only would Fangio need to drive at the limit, but he also have been found out at this limit.

[lebesset]

well , there is a very obvious comment there but it won't be me that makes it

suffice it to say that if you can beat your opponents by using less than your maximum that makes you superior does it not? by his own admission senna had to use his maximum ...and you cannot drive over the limit whatever senna said , a limit is a limit by definition

[JohnsonsEvilTwin]

Le besset

Less than maximum? The only obvious comment to make is that Fangio was talking out his rectum. Not an uncommon thing for any racing driver.

The bottom line is Senna transcended the capabilites of his machinery.

Fangio could not, or would not.

This makes Senna a REAL great.

[autogyro]

Sounds like to many computer games to me.
I have seen it many times before.
Sad

[raceman]

the truly great drivers were so good that they didn't need to(drive flat out
)

I'm very sorry but I cannot agree with that. Senna was special because he existed solely to discover what existed beyond the realms of what was considered possible.

"It was like I was in a tunnel. Not only the tunnel under the hotel but the whole circuit was a tunnel. I was just going and going, more and more and more and more. I was way over the limit but still able to find even more."

And to put Fangio's rather graceless comments into perspective, Senna would say.
"You must take the compromise to win, or else nothing. That means: you race or you do not."

If Senna was around in Fangio's day, there is no doubt in my mind that not only would Fangio need to drive at the limit, but he also have been found out at this limit.

I am sure Belatti will have a look at the comments on Juan Manuel Fangio.....

[JohnsonsEvilTwin]

Er, whos Bellatti?

[timbo]

The cars were harder to drive, but i am sure there were other drivers with even worse handling cars than the ones Senna drove. Senna crashes because of how he drives, on the edge.

Others crashed a lot too. I never heard anyone called Senna crasher. And with manual gearbox, and paperthin ground clearence the cars were MUCH less forgiving.

Hamilton is similar, but his on track offs and mistakes aren't as numerous as Senna's i think.
Correct me if i am wrong.

Well, I don't have that impression.

PS Please understand me correctly. This doesn't meant to berate Hamilton. It's just that you can't realisitcally compare drivers from different era. Different times, different challenges.