Is Hamilton desperate or what?

[raceman]

Er, whos Bellatti?

He is a Juan Manuel Fangio fan (assumed from his avatar). It will be interesting to see what his reply would be.....

[JohnsonsEvilTwin]

Probably upset.

Fangio is already a great, no doubt about that!
But, the issue here is Hamilton. Time will tell.....

[autogyro]

I doubt Belatti would bother to lower himself to this level of ignorance.

[speedsense]

I neither love not hate LH. However I have to say that his driving and his behavior on track this year has been reckless and uncomplimentary.

That pit issue today was just STUPID .. the only thing more stupid than that was that he wasn't heavily penalized for it. Passing someone thru a single pit entrance is dangerous, and then racing between wheels down the pit lane on exit was doubly so. I will also acknowledge that Alonso also managed the same bone headed passing move on Massa at pit in.

The weaving issue last race was just pure simple illegal driving. Period.

Bad mouthing his team in Australia was very low class, to say the least.

So something is up with Hamilton, and I think his name is Button. I will openly admit that I thought Button had nothing for LH, but I've been proven wrong, twice now. Button is far better than I gave him credit for. OTOH, LH is just becoming an ass, and the idea of drivers as race marshalls doesn't seem to work too well.

These on track moves are NOT judgment calls, but flagrant disregard for racing safety and fairness. Soon someone will be hurt, or worse. I can only hope that when LH creates the next stupid desperate move he'll get the short end of the stick.I'm sure Vettel is thinking now that he should have just squeezed LH to the grass on pit exit. LH has got to shape up or pay a price for these pointless and risky moves. That's my opinion of course.

Yet, so far in Hamilton's F1 career, he has yet to take out another car and ended the other car's race, except one. And that was Kimi in Montreal. On the racing surface and not in the pit lane, it just hasn't happened.
Can't say that about Alonso, Massa, Button, or many of the other F1 drivers.
In my opinion, Hamilton's "safety and fairness" record is better than anyone else's.
Vettel moved over to leave Hamilton no room to exit. (Both drivers were warned not just Hamilton).
The weaving incident was breaking a draft, nothing more.

The "real" fairness this year, is having an Ex-F1 driver as a stewart, as they truly understand what's a correct move or an incorrect move, that needs to be pentalized.

IMHO

[JohnsonsEvilTwin]

I doubt Belatti would bother to lower himself to this level of ignorance.

Ignorance is Bliss as they say. Perhaps a dose of your own illuminated opinion would enlighten us mere mortals.
Of course if there is nothing constructive to add, why bother?
The question had to be asked!

[ISLAMATRON]

Senna would probably make more mistakes.

I wouldn't imagine Senna crashing at pit-lane.
And BTW when Senna was driving cars WERE harder to drive than today.

I remember Senna rear ending a backmarker and ruining the McLaren "perfect" season... I also remember him crashing in Monaco with a huge lead... Senna is the greatest, but he was not perfect.

Senna was clearly head and shoulders above his competition which included proper champions like PK, Prost, Mansell... Hamilton is clearly head & shoulders above half ass champions like Alonso, Button & Kimi(I will leave the aging MS out of this)

[timbo]

I remember Senna rear ending a backmarker and ruining the McLaren "perfect" season... I also remember him crashing in Monaco with a huge lead... Senna is the greatest, but he was not perfect.

If you watched Monza crash, you'd know it was not Senna's fault. Regarding Monaco -- he won there 6 times. Nuff said.

Hamilton is clearly head & shoulders above half ass champions like Alonso, Button & Kimi(I will leave the aging MS out of this)

Haven't you checked this season's standings?

[audifan]

I just don't understand this hamilton weaving business

he moves across , is that not legal ?
petrov follows .
, is that ok ? if he doesn't , that is ok as well

the point is , hamilton isn't blocking petrov , he moves out of his way
so why isn't there a fuss about petrov weaving as well ...who made him follow ?

if it was the other way round not a word would have been said

easy way out , new rule... if the man ahead pulls across you can overtake but not follow ...even less racing

the point is , as I understand it , if you are not blocking , it's not illegal

[Just_a_fan]

Senna would probably make more mistakes.

I wouldn't imagine Senna crashing at pit-lane.
And BTW when Senna was driving cars WERE harder to drive than today.

I remember Senna rear ending a backmarker and ruining the McLaren "perfect" season... I also remember him crashing in Monaco with a huge lead... Senna is the greatest, but he was not perfect.

Senna was clearly head and shoulders above his competition which included proper champions like PK, Prost, Mansell... Hamilton is clearly head & shoulders above half ass champions like Alonso, Button & Kimi(I will leave the aging MS out of this)

He certainly ran in to the back of Brundle in the rain in Oz way back when...

[ringo]

I remember Senna rear ending a backmarker and ruining the McLaren "perfect" season... I also remember him crashing in Monaco with a huge lead... Senna is the greatest, but he was not perfect.

If you watched Monza crash, you'd know it was not Senna's fault. Regarding Monaco -- he won there 6 times. Nuff said.

But we aren't talking about wins here, it's about crashes. Senna has more on track mistakes, does he not?
Senna is great, has the wins, but facts are facts. His curiosity about his limits may have to do with his mistakes.

Hamilton may well be the cleanest on the edge racer ever who knows? His on track retirements created by purely driver error are also scarce if any. Can't say the same for other drivers on the grid. Most of the risks they make usually end up in crashing out.

This is why Hamilton is head and shoulder above the rest of them, not because of the current point stanings, which are subject to change, but his ability.
Senna never lead a championship after every race either, but at the end of the season.. (same for shumacher) is what puts him head and shoulders above the rest.

[timbo]

Senna is great, has the wins, but facts are facts. His curiosity about his limits may have to do with his mistakes.

a) he was longer in F1,
b) cars were harder to drive.

Hamilton may well be the cleanest on the edge racer ever who knows? His on track retirements created by purely driver error are also scarce if any. Can't say the same for other drivers on the grid. Most of the risks they make usually end up in crashing out.

Actually, I don't see other drivers crashing out much these years.

[andrew]

You can't compare the likes of Senna to Hamilton or Prost to Button. The cars in the 80s and early 90s were harder to drive and the cars are so much safer and easier to drive there can be no comparision on any level other than blind fanboy/girl-ism. I would go as far to say that it is not possible to compare the Schumacher of the early - mid 90s with the Schumacher of the 00s and the Schumacher of 2010. If the cars were exactly the same then a comparision would be possible but they're not so there can be no comparision.

[JohnsonsEvilTwin]

Ringo

Can i just ask why driving a 1988 McLaren Honda or any 80s F1 car at the limit is the SAME as today?
Not only are the cars EASIER to drive, but so are the circuits. So it stands to reason that driving a difficult car at or over the limit, is a far greater achievement than doing so with a car that handles "on rails".

I can see what you are saying but there is nothing on gods green earth that can tell me what goes on better than my eyes.
And if you look at Hamilton on board and compare it to Senna on board, you will see the difference. Senna is DEMANDED to put double the input in to get the same results.

See how many ass out manouvres Hamilton can do in one of those AND get away with it!
Just not happening.

Its why Senna is....Senna

[mx_tifoso]

The fanboyism in this thread is outrageous.

[JohnsonsEvilTwin]

Mx tifosi,

Is Hamilton desperate?
Is he better than Senna?

Constructive answers please mate, as F1technical by its very nature is for us "fanboys".....