Is Hamilton desperate or what?

[ringo]

I am yet to compare both of them. Just wanted to see the kind of reactions i cans stir up.

The funny thing is, they can't be compared, yet people can say one is greater. How do we know one is greater if they can't be compared?

Old cars are harder to drive, yes, but the level of competition today compensates for the ease to drive the car.

Barichello drove the older cars. He knows what it takes to drive them and he was good, yet he is yet to win a championship driving the easier cars. Fact is Senna crashes more; not a fair comparison, but he does. Cars were harder to drive yes, but everyone had to deal with it. Another thing is, there was a greater margin for error driving the older cars because of the poorer grip level of the tyres back then. Cars are easier to drive now, but that's why they are harder to compete at top level; everyone is driving them perfectly.

I am just calling it as it is. Senna is obviously a more developed driver than Lewis. But i wont blind myself by that and say that Senna was perfect. Shumacher could have dethroned Senna back then if he was still around, who knows?

Massa could do the Ass out manouvres and get away with it! He does it every time the track gets wet. He's used to it.

[timbo]

Just wanted to see the kind of reactions i cans stir up.

So you confess trolling?

[JohnsonsEvilTwin]

Donington 1993 will settle most arguments

At the end of the day, I feel Senna was revered more by his fellow drivers than any other. Schumacher is a true great along with Fangio, but not with the reverence that Senna carries to this very day, even in death.
Hamilton isnt desperate, but he appears to want to get ahead to fast too soon.
I would say Schumacher had that stigma too, wether Hamitlon can shake it off time will tell.

Just imagine how great Senna's record would have been had he started in a peachy McLaren seat, and after one year they sacked his great rival Prost.



Exactly.

[Shrieker]

Hamilton is already a GREAT, I won't even debate that. He has everything that makes a driver a GREAT.

Will he ever be as good or better than Senna ?

That, time will tell; but he definitely has a chance.

Donington 1993 will settle most arguments

Spa '97, Donington '93, Silverstone 08', all similar. You could argue that Senna's driving and overtaking manoeuvres in the first lap of that race were MEGA, but we already know Hamilton is superb at overtaking.

[vall]

Hamilton is already a GREAT, I won't even debate that. He has everything that makes a driver a GREAT.

Will he ever be as good or better than Senna ?

That, time will tell; but he definitely has a chance.

Donington 1993 will settle most arguments

Spa '97, Donington '93, Silverstone 08', all similar. You could argue that Senna's driving and overtaking manoeuvres in the first lap of that race were MEGA, but we already know Hamilton is superb at overtaking.

The difference is that Silverstone '08 LH had by far the best car and Ferreri completely messed the set-up. Spa '97, Donington '93 Shu and Senna had inferior cars.

[ringo]

[Just_a_fan]

Hamilton is already a GREAT, I won't even debate that. He has everything that makes a driver a GREAT.

Will he ever be as good or better than Senna ?

That, time will tell; but he definitely has a chance.

Donington 1993 will settle most arguments

Spa '97, Donington '93, Silverstone 08', all similar. You could argue that Senna's driving and overtaking manoeuvres in the first lap of that race were MEGA, but we already know Hamilton is superb at overtaking.

The difference is that Silverstone '08 LH had by far the best car and Ferreri completely messed the set-up. Spa '97, Donington '93 Shu and Senna had inferior cars.

Senna never considered Donington as that special because the car had ABS etc. Hell, Hill beat Prost at that race and no one would put Damon above Alain

Hamilton has never had TC or ABS in F1. Unlike some other WDC champs we might mention...

[timbo]

Hamilton has never had TC or ABS in F1. Unlike some other WDC champs we might mention...

2007 cars had TC.

[Poleman]

Correct...So had Alonso's.

2008 WDC car had not.

[ISLAMATRON]

Hamilton is clearly head & shoulders above half ass champions like Alonso, Button & Kimi(I will leave the aging MS out of this)

Haven't you checked this season's standings?

People and their stupid point standings... according to those retarded point standings Button has been way better than every driver for the 2 years.

Yes, absolutely, Those points sure tell us who the best driver is.

point standing dont mean ---, especially after only 4 races.

[flynfrog]

Hamilton is clearly head & shoulders above half ass champions like Alonso, Button & Kimi(I will leave the aging MS out of this)

Haven't you checked this season's standings?

People and their stupid point standings... according to those retarded point standings Button has been way better than every driver for the 2 years.

Yes, absolutely, Those points sure tell us who the best driver is.

point standing dont mean ---, especially after only 4 races.

What metric would you use to determine the best drive then?

[ISLAMATRON]

People and their stupid point standings... according to those retarded point standings Button has been way better than every driver for the 2 years.

Yes, absolutely, Those points sure tell us who the best driver is.

point standing dont mean ---, especially after only 4 races.

What metric would you use to determine the best drive then?

The is none, you just have to watch the races and use common sense... therewere several years where Senna was clearly the best driver out there but in inferior cars and therefore beaten in the point standings... WDC does not equal best driver... It never has and never will. The quality of the car in F1 accounts too much into the WDC points standings for it to be a clear decider of best driver.

[lebesset]

hang about ; if senna really was that good the best teams would have been panting to get him , the best drivers have the best cars pretty quickly

look at hamilton , do you think he would have been kept by ron dennis if ron hadn't realised that he was better than alonso even as a rookie ...you think ron would have ANYTHING to come before his beloved McLaren team ...no way ; nothing easier than sending hamilton to serve an apprenticeship somewhere else while he had alonso under contract if that would have produced better results

[vall]

People and their stupid point standings... according to those retarded point standings Button has been way better than every driver for the 2 years.

Yes, absolutely, Those points sure tell us who the best driver is.

point standing dont mean ---, especially after only 4 races.

What metric would you use to determine the best drive then?

The is none, you just have to watch the races and use common sense... therewere several years where Senna was clearly the best driver out there but in inferior cars and therefore beaten in the point standings... WDC does not equal best driver... It never has and never will. The quality of the car in F1 accounts too much into the WDC points standings for it to be a clear decider of best driver.

.... so we got LH WDC in 2008 largely due to the clear superiority of the McLaren in the wet. We had a lot of wet races that year....

[rifrafs2kees]

Donington 1993 will settle most arguments

At the end of the day, I feel Senna was revered more by his fellow drivers than any other. Schumacher is a true great along with Fangio, but not with the reverence that Senna carries to this very day, even in death.
Hamilton isnt desperate, but he appears to want to get ahead to fast too soon.
I would say Schumacher had that stigma too, wether Hamitlon can shake it off time will tell.

Just imagine how great Senna's record would have been had he started in a peachy McLaren seat, and after one year they sacked his great rival Prost.



Exactly.

The reason why Senna was revered by his fellow drivers is because coupled with being a talented driver, he died in his prime, in an F1 race. While alive he wasn't quite Mr likable among the drivers. God forbid, alonso, hamilton or vettel or even rosberg dies in a race......The media would paint a picture of a driver who had no equal on the track. That is just how it goes. When comparing drivers, ignore all the hoopla and look at the driver for who he is or who he was.