Is Hamilton desperate or what?

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vall wrote:
ISLAMATRON wrote:There is none, you just have to watch the races and use common sense... there were several years where Senna was clearly the best driver out there but in inferior cars and therefore beaten in the point standings... WDC does not equal best driver... It never has and never will. The quality of the car in F1 accounts too much into the WDC points standings for it to be a clear decider of best driver.
.... so we got LH WDC in 2008 :D largely due to the clear superiority of the McLaren in the wet. We had a lot of wet races that year....
Yes, even after they wrongly took away 1 of his wins and gave it to Massa who never even led a lap. It was not the McL that was superior in the wet, it was LH... I saw another driver in the same car and he didnt win ---.

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ISLAMATRON wrote:
vall wrote:
ISLAMATRON wrote:There is none, you just have to watch the races and use common sense... there were several years where Senna was clearly the best driver out there but in inferior cars and therefore beaten in the point standings... WDC does not equal best driver... It never has and never will. The quality of the car in F1 accounts too much into the WDC points standings for it to be a clear decider of best driver.
.... so we got LH WDC in 2008 :D largely due to the clear superiority of the McLaren in the wet. We had a lot of wet races that year....
Yes, even after they wrongly took away 1 of his wins and gave it to Massa who never even led a lap. It was not the McL that was superior in the wet, it was LH... I saw another driver in the same car and he didnt win ---.
This has been beaten to death, why bring it up again? Right or wrong, LH took advantage of cutting the chicane, period. He did wrong and paid for it.

As for the another driver, as any "another" driver in McL, this "another" driver also complained about the they McL treat their "other" drivers.

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Heikki was actually leading hamilton in silverstone until Hamilton tagged him in a corner. Fearing a total wipeout, what did would you have uncle Ron do?
Have the number 2 beat the blue eyed boy?
More could have been done.
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As for the another driver, as any "another" driver in McL, this "another" driver also complained about the they McL treat their "other" drivers.
What ? They rigged Kovi's car so he couldn't match Lewis in the wet ?

LOL

JohnsonsEvilTwin wrote:Heikki was actually leading hamilton in silverstone until Hamilton tagged him in a corner. Fearing a total wipeout, what did would you have uncle Ron do?
Have the number 2 beat the blue eyed boy?
Lewis finished that race a country mile ahead of everyone else. Where was kovi ?
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vall wrote:
ISLAMATRON wrote:
vall wrote:.... so we got LH WDC in 2008 :D largely due to the clear superiority of the McLaren in the wet. We had a lot of wet races that year....
Yes, even after they wrongly took away 1 of his wins and gave it to Massa who never even led a lap. It was not the McL that was superior in the wet, it was LH... I saw another driver in the same car and he didnt win ---.
This has been beaten to death, why bring it up again? Right or wrong, LH took advantage of cutting the chicane, period. He did wrong and paid for it.

As for the another driver, as any "another" driver in McL, this "another" driver also complained about the they McL treat their "other" drivers.
You brought up 2008 not me, regardless your view of the situation is still incorrect.


And again, more BS about HAmilton being favored inthe team... Heikki could not cope with LH, it seems no driver onthe current grid can.

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Shrieker wrote:
vall wrote:
As for the another driver, as any "another" driver in McL, this "another" driver also complained about the they McL treat their "other" drivers.
What ? They rigged Kovi's car so he couldn't match Lewis in the wet ?

LOL

JohnsonsEvilTwin wrote:Heikki was actually leading hamilton in silverstone until Hamilton tagged him in a corner. Fearing a total wipeout, what did would you have uncle Ron do?
Have the number 2 beat the blue eyed boy?
Lewis finished that race a country mile ahead of everyone else. Where was kovi ?
I remember I read an analysis that the first several races of 2008, fuel corrected (coz' LH was always getting the better strategy) Kovy was faster than LH. Much annoying for LH management.

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vall wrote:
Shrieker wrote:
vall wrote:
As for the another driver, as any "another" driver in McL, this "another" driver also complained about the they McL treat their "other" drivers.
What ? They rigged Kovi's car so he couldn't match Lewis in the wet ?

LOL

JohnsonsEvilTwin wrote:Heikki was actually leading hamilton in silverstone until Hamilton tagged him in a corner. Fearing a total wipeout, what did would you have uncle Ron do?
Have the number 2 beat the blue eyed boy?
Lewis finished that race a country mile ahead of everyone else. Where was kovi ?
I remember I read an analysis that the first several races of 2008, fuel corrected (coz' LH was always getting the better strategy) Kovy was faster than LH. Much annoying for LH management.
Yes keep reading and believing that bullshit if you want... but that facts speak for themselves... LH(08-09)= 8 wins(and several other close ones) HK(08-09)=1 lucky win(when LH had a puncture and Massa blew an engine). Heikki just was not in LH's league.

And about LH hitting HK at 2008 British GP.... utter BULLSHIT... viewtopic.php?f=13&t=5655

6 pages and not a single forum member mentions any contact... and we all knowthe lightning rod that is LH... they never touched... J.E.T. is just making up BS... or would you like to provide video proof?

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JohnsonsEvilTwin wrote:Did you not get the tagged bit?
So he ended up a country mile behind Lewis because he was 'tagged' , and was told to 'let him through' ; and not because he was dead slow in the rain compared to Hamster.

Yeah, I got it.

---, I lost it.
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SILVERSTONE 2008...

0:34 Lewis vs Heikki Contact.......NOT [-X [-X

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLGnFTl_6_I[/youtube]

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keep up the good work guys :D
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Very sorry but if you run that slowly, the moment heikkis rear wheel passes Lewis front he taps the passing car. Heikki has to correct on exit, it is even mention on the Race rundown on Wikipedia.

Trying to find any Silverstone quotes from heikki are near impossible with all the Lewis hyperbole....

Whoever is right whats the bloody difference anyway?
Its not like Lewis is going to give you his "best fan" award as he only deals in "cool".

Can we agree it was Lewis best performance by some distance?
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More could have been done.
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JohnsonsEvilTwin wrote:Very sorry but if you run that slowly, the moment heikkis rear wheel passes Lewis front he taps the passing car. Heikki has to correct on exit, it is even mention on the Race rundown on Wikipedia.

Trying to find any Silverstone quotes from heikki are near impossible with all the Lewis hyperbole....

Whoever is right whats the bloody difference anyway?
Its not like Lewis is going to give you his "best fan" award as he only deals in "cool".

Can we agree it was Lewis best performance by some distance?
The wet paint on the curb caused Heikki's oversteer, if you watch it slowly, there isn't contact AND the oversteer happens as Heikki contacts the curb several feet after passing Ham.
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No contact at all. If anything the water from both wheels may have intermingled the way it was so close, but a contact in the wet would not be so smooth, Heiki would have spun.

I can see an air gap as Heiki passes by, and any how you take it, Heik would not have win that race. Heiki lost what? 0.02s in that "incident", as compared to Hamilton lapping the field? Hamilton is the regen meister, we should not even be looking at such a miniscule matter to somehow dispute Hamilton's prowess in the rain.

China only cemented his dominance in the wet, going up against all the over-hyped rain specialists. Rain god status is handed out too cheaply and readily nowadays. China was a reality check for some of those drivers and their fans. :mrgreen:

While were at Hamilton being desperate, which he wasn't when some claim he touched Kovi in that race. How's about Spanish GP quali? Any signs of nervousness with Button leading by 11pts?

Hamilton proving again he is a top qualifier. I don't know where some come with the theories that he can't qualify well. The man is the fastest thing behind the redbull space ships this weekend!
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Didn't Vettel dispatch "the boss" in the rain nearly costing "the boss" his championship had it not been for a pass on a hopeless Glock on dry tires on the last lap of the race?

Let's not call anybody "rain master" unless they actually win the races we are crowning them for.

As far as anything on Friday or Saturday, they only give trophies and points out for Sunday.
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In the rain:
Horsepower differences go away.
Handling is a non issue (lack of G force produced). Though it is possible to have a better rain car setup,the differences aren't great enough to point to.
Even aero advantages are reduced (though still helpful).

That leaves the drivers and their ability with car control and finding grip to make the major difference.

Vettel's F1 career in the rain vs Hamilton's career the rain. My money says Hammie wins this one hands down. Both are excellent driver's in the rain, but Hammie just seems to find the grip where there is none. (Hamilton on dry tires in the rain at Spa running down Kimi comes to mind.)

Personally I'm waiting for the Vettel/Hamilton show down in the rain. Can't name anyone else who's even close.....

Unless Red Bull shoots themselves in the foot in Spain, once again this year, they should win this one. That is unless it rains.....then "rain master" should ring a bell..
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