Should the T-car come back to F1?

[WhiteBlue]

T-cars were banned two years ago for cost reasons. They were taking up garages and had a complete T-car crew of mechanics.

Now after many races Ferrari could not run a qualifying session due to the lack of a T-car. They are now pushing for a return.

The problem is the engine and gearbox will be different in a T-car. So the driver will loose 15 places anyway.

What do you thinks about it.

[Belatti]

Whats the difference in cost between having a T-car in the pits or having it inside a box in a trailer?

[WhiteBlue]

Whats the difference in cost between having a T-car in the pits or having it inside a box in a trailer?

Unless you hang it up on the ceiling you have to give it a separate garage. That will prompt them to prepare the T-car with a different set up for one of the drivers. Next you will see them pushing for abolishing the engine and gear box change penalties. It involves all kinds of costly changes.

[timbo]

That will prompt them to prepare the T-car with a different set up for one of the drivers.

I think that one is easy -- you can do the same as with parc ferme rules this year -- have a camera watching it. There must be regulations as for what you can do to it too. I think teams should be only permitted to use T-car if main chassis is critically damaged.

I think T-car must come back. Even from pure safety reasons -- there can be unnoticed problems with main chassis integrity and using it for racing after rushed repair is risky IMO.

[internetf1fan]

Typical Ferrari, they only care about certain rules only if it isn't convinient for them. How about telling your drivers not to crash in free practice? That should be easy enough.

[noname]

garages are big enough to have 3rd car, as it used to be in the past.

however due the engine/gearbox rules it could be, maybe, better to have an almost assembled T-car (without engine and gearbox). if not in the garage at least in the trailer.

last weekend Ferrari was forced to replace tube on Alonso's car which in fact means they build new car. it was not the first proof teams have enough spar parts to build new car if there is a need. having 3rd car ready to use (or almost ready) or in the form of pre-assembled modules would not influence the costs.

[WhiteBlue]

garages are big enough to have 3rd car, as it used to be in the past.

Race team personal has been reduced to 45 persons by the RRA. That means they do not have a third team of mechanics for the T-car. They can as well leave it in a truck instead of compromising the valuable space in the garages.

[flynfrog]

Whats the difference in cost between having a T-car in the pits or having it inside a box in a trailer?

Unless you hang it up on the ceiling you have to give it a separate garage. That will prompt them to prepare the T-car with a different set up for one of the drivers. Next you will see them pushing for abolishing the engine and gear box change penalties. It involves all kinds of costly changes.

how much does lugging a T car around cost VS. say redesigning cars to not need fuel stops. Or change tire sizes and suppliers. My guess is the T-car and fuel rigs are peanuts.

[WhiteBlue]

Are we talking Ferrari peanuts or HRT peanuts? In Italy they grow much bigger than in Spain.

[imightbewrong]

WhiteBlue, a little tip, if you are really interested in what people think and not just pushing your own agenda, you really should try to make the poll a bit more neutral, ie remove "We cannot have the favorites out of qualifying whatever it costs."

[Belatti]

garages are big enough to have 3rd car, as it used to be in the past.

however due the engine/gearbox rules it could be, maybe, better to have an almost assembled T-car (without engine and gearbox). if not in the garage at least in the trailer.

Exactly.

Unless you hang it up on the ceiling you have to give it a separate garage. That will prompt them to prepare the T-car with a different set up for one of the drivers. Next you will see them pushing for abolishing the engine and gear box change penalties. It involves all kinds of costly changes.

I dont see "all kinds of costly changes" in it. Fitting an engine+gearbox and rear susp in a F1 monocoque with all its systems and front suspension already in place shouldnt take more than 1 hour.

Race team personal has been reduced to 45 persons by the RRA. That means they do not have a third team of mechanics for the T-car. They can as well leave it in a truck instead of compromising the valuable space in the garages.

You dont need a third team of mechanics. Just to have an assembled T-car in a bigger box than that of the chasis box.

[Belatti]

Typical Ferrari, they only care about certain rules only if it isn't convinient for them. How about telling your drivers not to crash in free practice? That should be easy enough.

This is (or was?) a Technical Forum internetfan, so try to cope with it.

[autogyro]

Typical Ferrari, they only care about certain rules only if it isn't convinient for them. How about telling your drivers not to crash in free practice? That should be easy enough.

This is (or was?) a Technical Forum internetfan, so try to cope with it.

Alonso (not Alesi haha) probably crashed in free practice because he was unable to properly control the Ferrari f-duct.

[imightbewrong]

Typical Ferrari, they only care about certain rules only if it isn't convinient for them. How about telling your drivers not to crash in free practice? That should be easy enough.

This is (or was?) a Technical Forum internetfan, so try to cope with it.

Alonso (not Alesi haha) probably crashed in free practice because he was unable to properly control the Ferrari f-duct.

And once again, no, not used in Monaco and has nothing to do with this topic.

[autogyro]

Who says the Ferrari f-duct was not used in free practice?